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[mic of orion]

American democracy, innit, don't these fascist pigs who wear uniforms of increasingly despotic regime know that by assaulting protesters will only galvanize support for protesters and this eventually could spread in to a full blown revolution, given time and enough abuse by the regime in power.

Edited by mic of orion, 19 November 2011 - 06:13 PM.

[wjfox]

^ Fucking unbelievable.

I'd like to hear the right-wingers on here try to justify this. They can't.

[Logically Irrational]

Ordinarily I would assume there was at least some reasonable context behind these videos. But this one? No. Just no.

There's an investigation now:
http://www.cnn.com/2...pray/index.html

[wjfox]

"When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-​sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-​five minutes after being pepper-​sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood."

http://thenewcivilri...50#.TsiuPfKa--V

[wjfox]

This is the woman who authorised the pepper spraying.

A silent walk of shame -

[Caiman]

"As the Egyptian people shape their future, the United States continues to believe that the rights of minorities -- including Copts -- must be respected, and that all people have the universal rights of peaceful protest and religious freedom." - Barack Obama

The people of Egypt have rights that are universal.

That includes the right to peaceful assembly and association,the right to free speech, and the ability to determine their own destiny. These are human rights. And the United States will stand up for them everywhere,"

Time to say something else about the right to peaceful assembly, Barack.

[mic of orion]

Indeed, btw teabagger psychopath fascist cop spraying the protesters, his name is John Pike.

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Fascist sadist if I ever saw one,

[mic of orion]

[wjfox]

Please don't post someone's personal information on here, even if it's a complete stranger. Thanks.

[wjfox]

Incredible. It's just incredible that they'd do this. Our democracy is eroding by the day.

How is this different to the repressive regimes in China, etc?

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Demonstrations to be banned during Olympics

Ministers ponder tough new powers to prevent Occupy-style protests interfering with Games

http://www.independe....s-6265121.html

[jjf3]

That lady will probably lose her job, the officers might get suspended and lose their jobs, however the protesters were asked by the police to leave. They were warned. The police did end up retreating and in fact helped the pepper sprayed students. What else would you want the police do? I don't think they should have used pepper spray, but in other states they would have used guns.

I also think the video is being taken out of context by the media and internet. It doesn't show the before and after.

It's actually a very peaceful incident taken widely out of context by everyone. Just like you say, each crime. rape, and act of violence does not represent the OWS as a whole, this does not represent the police as a whole. Hell, the guy was paid (salary) with private union University funds!

We should be analyzing each individual crime that OWS and the Police have committed in these protests, I think you'll find that OWS has broken the law more times than police. Police have been relatively respectful in the two month long process. But as you say, the protesters like to question authority. It's more like they don't listen at all! They don't even try to open a dialogue with the police. Try to negotiate with them.

However, this is interfering with the protesters rights to protest peacefully and from the videos they indeed were. There's always two sides to the coin.

http://www.businessi...ay-2011-11?op=1

Edited by jjf3, 20 November 2011 - 03:37 PM.

[truthiness]

The more the Government_TM cracks down on these protests, the more the protesters multiply. Occupy UC Davis was a sideshow, and now it's snowballing into a new epicenter of the movement.

It's Kent State all over again, only this time with a million views within 48 hours of the event.

Heh... the people were warned by the police to leave.... are you kidding? What harm were they causing by being there? Was it worth spraying unarmed, peaceful protesters at point blank range?

The difference between the police and OWS when there are incidents like this is that the police defend their officers who attack peaceful protesters, and OWS condemns each act of defacement or violence against anyone. These are peaceful protests, and they are being cracked down upon because they are striking a nerve. They are shining a glaring light on institutionalized injustice, and the institution is doing everything they can to make them go away. And, despite a vastly superior force and brutal terror tactics, the institution is not succeeding. Each attack upon the protesters multiplies their numbers, and each attack is being documented, since everyone these days has devices that can instantly record and bring these stories to the masses.

Spring is coming early this year.

[jjf3]

Actually in most of the videos I have seen the "peaceful protesters" were just itching to get a response by the police. There are times when certain rights become illegal such as screaming in police's faces or not following the law! Police are people too and have rights not to be heckled by protesters.These protesters were told to leave, if you don't know that fact, please research.

I have said that it was a step in the wrong direction, and yes the event will cause more people to become sympathetic with the movement. The police shouldn't have done that and I agree. But the protesters should have asked why they have to leave. Not just sit there like ignorant unlawful idiots. IDK about you but when a police officer tells me I am doing something wrong I tend to listen to listen them. I have every right to question why however.

Edited by jjf3, 20 November 2011 - 05:15 PM.

[KingstonDon]

Jjf,

A term that YOU should research is civil disobedience.

http://en.wikipedia....il_disobedience

There will always be people who feel like its always best to shut up and take the dick of authority between your legs, but no thanks. Don't sell me or them that horseshit.

Edited by KingstonDon, 20 November 2011 - 05:25 PM.

[jjf3]

Why is that being directed towards me? I know that this event is wrong, other videos make me question the protesters, that's all I was saying. I'm not saying that the whole thing wasn't peaceful or wrong. I have always been in support for OWS right to protest! Their rights were wronged here. Other incidents weren't this one was.

So when a police officer tells you, you got a ticket for speeding, do you continue do speed? Or even worse, speed away from them?

If a police tells you, you are blocking a doorway to an entrance of a building do you move? Or refuse to move? I would think most people would Peacefully get out of the way, and obey the law! They could have always moved ten feet away from the cops... Then, cops couldn't have done anything about it.

Protesters should have asked police why they had to leave. That is my stand right now. If the police explained the law in a bias way towards the protesters then we might have had a clearer view of his reasoning behind using pepper spray.

Protesting =/= above the law.
Illegal enforcement of laws =/= above the law.

Edited by jjf3, 20 November 2011 - 05:52 PM.

[nuckchorris999]

Blah blah blah, pepper spraying peaceful, unarmed, sitting civilians is wrong. Thanks for playing.

[mic of orion]

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Edited by mic of orion, 20 November 2011 - 10:04 PM.

[ExplorerAtHeart]

[wjfox]

[mic of orion]

Michael Waters Versus Bank Of America (bank admits that they don't care, all they care is money)



really getting annoyed now. this forum's need video embedding feature/icon asp.

Edited by mic of orion, 22 November 2011 - 11:19 AM.