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I don't know what to say about this then perhaps we're ducked.even then, we can kinda make it through. Sure, I believe it would take a thousand years for women to walk the street safely, gays not to be stoned, or blacks not being gun down. But, I still think we can win again. All we have to do is teach old people about the internet. I know, that sounds dumb but bear with me. We could try to teach half of the human population internet is so we can understand how important it is. That way, when we do vote, it would be a landslide and pai may give up until he does it again. If not, I'm just going to wait 25 years until the progress train comes in full force or for the world to end up a barren wasteland dystopia. Whether is plausible.

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If anyone is looking for a pick-me-up:

 

OneWeb is tracking a 2019 rollout of their LEO broadband internet service. The initial batch of 648 satellites is on track to be turned on before the decade's out with each satellite targeting 6gbps of throughput. It may grow from there by another 1,972 satellites. 

 

SpaceX's LEO constellation of 4,425 satellites is ticking along for an operational rollout by 2024. That'll be followed by a 7,518-stallelite constellation immediately afterwards.

 

Samsung has proposed a 4,600-satellite constellation orbiting at 1,400km which they believe could provide a zettabyte capacity. That's 200gb/month for 5 billion users. 

 

If today's monopolies actually do overextend their leverage, they'll push demand to these new entrants and bring timelines forward. The technology to create competing infrastructure exists now. Alternatives will be available surprisingly soon. 


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Why net neutrality’s peril raises the stakes for future satellite broadband options

The Federal Communication Commission’s plan to start rolling back regulations on net neutrality comes as bad news for streaming video providers like Amazon and Netflix, and potentially for consumers as well, but it could also bring more attention to an emerging avenue for broadband: satellite constellations in low Earth orbit.
Put extra emphasis on “could”: Even though net neutrality has been debated for years, the effects of removing the equal-access requirements for the broadband marketplace are by no means clear. And legal challenges could tie up any policy shift for a long time to come.
Simply put, lifting the net neutrality requirements would free up internet service providers to ratchet down or gear up data streams based on what’s being streamed, and by whom.

 

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So, remember that time you were like "fuck yeah, im going to the library!" and we all got in the car and we got there.
The librarian was super helpful in helping you navigate the Dewey decimal system, but when you went to check out some books, she started charging you more for certain books. Like, for no reason other than because she wanted to.
You were like "woah dude, this is a library, these books shouldn't be priced differently based on their content!" to which she said "Tough. Nothing stopping me. You can read these books that align with my ideological and political leanings for $5, or you can read this book that I authored for free. But these books that I don't want you reading? $20."
Sadly, your broke ass didn't have $20 so you didn't get the books you wanted and you took the books you were offered for free. The entire drive home, you were mad that you had to pay more for access to something that you didnt have to before. You then said "why dont we just go to that other library across town" to which i had to remind you "dude, we only have ONE library that services our area. There is another library, sure. And that library may even have a better selection. But the problem is that you dont live in the right area so that librarian wont even let you check out books. And even then there is no guarantee that she wont charge you whatever she wants as well."
Then you pouted for a bit.


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Sounds like a bunch of people whining about other people not giving them whatever they want with no strings attached. Sometimes life just sucks like that. Get over it.


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Sounds like a bunch of people whining about other people not giving them whatever they want with no strings attached. Sometimes life just sucks like that. Get over it.

that's true to some extent considering how, technically, the internet is not free but it is free at the same time.



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If these net neutrality regs are removed, you'll soon realise how important the freedom to choose where you got your information from actually was Jacob. 

Any site that questions or shines a bad light on your specific ISP will likely be placed in a more expensive package slot, and the sites that echo what your ISP believes will be the cheapest. You'll be fed biased information.

edit: realized that my first comment was a bit too inflammatory 


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If these net neutrality regs are removed, you'll soon realise how important the freedom to choose where you got your information from actually was Jacob. 

Any site that questions or shines a bad light on your specific ISP will likely be placed in a more expensive package slot, and the sites that echo what your ISP believes will be the cheapest. You'll be fed biased information.

edit: realized that my first comment was a bit too inflammatory 

I'm not going to demand that the government use their guns to make private companies cave to my whims.

 

But I am going to demand that you get my name right when it's written 5000 times on this forum.


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What I suspect is we will see access providers Initially charging the companies people are interacting with for a fast service, (so: Netflix, Amazon, Facebook, google, Apple etc.) Which makes sense as they have enormous amounts of money, and who's going to buy an iPhone if androids connect to the internet 10x faster. This will add to the costs of web hosting, so you set up a website, you need to pay for hosting and also not to have your data de-prioritised. 

 

Its possible that charging these companies may be ruled anti-competitive (and with the money those companies could put down in lobbying I think this will happen pretty fast) in which case they will switch to charging the end users. 



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Lets just say that corporations having the power to limit me is against the first amendment and against everything a free people believe in. Doesn't surprise me that Jakob feels that the 1% should rule over the rest of the country, but I'll never agree with it.


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Lets just say that corporations having the power to limit me is against the first amendment and against everything a free people believe in.

It literally isn't.

 

 


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

Is Congress a corporation these days? Now the government forcing companies to treat data on their servers equally, that's a first amendment violation.


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Jacob on his low-effort arguing game.
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Jacob on his low-effort arguing game.

To be fair it takes next to no effort to defeat Sciencerocks in a debate.


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Why would you enjoy corporations deciding what websites you're allowed to view, and deciding what speeds you can view them at? Are you some sort of masochist?


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Why would you enjoy corporations deciding what websites you're allowed to view, and deciding what speeds you can view them at? Are you some sort of masochist?

I wouldn't enjoy it, but apparently unlike you, I don't want to demand that the government force other people to only do things that I like.


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I already pay MONEY to use the internet....Why should I fucking have to pay for every little site in shit? This just make it harder.

 

That my friend is dumb.


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I already pay MONEY to use the internet....Why should I fucking have to pay for every little site in shit? This just make it harder.

 

That my friend is dumb.

Sometimes life is just not fair. You want to challenge the ISPs, threaten their profits. They won't do anything that's bad for business.


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Sometimes life is just not fair. You want to challenge the ISPs, threaten their profits. They won't do anything that's bad for business.

 

Er... right. So let's keep net neutrality, then? Your argument doesn't make sense.


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I honestly don't understand how one could not be for net neutrality, as it is all that is stopping ISP's from deciding what sites one can and cannot visit. I understand that not all sites are created equal, but splitting the internet into "fast lanes" and "slow lanes" is not the answer. The larger corporate websites will pay the ISP's for the highest bandwidth, because they will pay any price for it. Meanwhile, smaller websites suffer because they are not profitable enough to escape the "slow lane" status provided by the ISP. If a consumer has to chose between two similar services, and one is faster because of the "fast lane" status, they are almost guaranteed to chose the one which is faster. In the end, monopolies grow stronger, and incentives to innovate are weakened without the threat of up-and-coming competitors of the same speed level to disrupt the empires that already exist.


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Sometimes life is just not fair. You want to challenge the ISPs, threaten their profits. They won't do anything that's bad for business.

 

Er... right. So let's keep net neutrality, then? Your argument doesn't make sense.

 

Wat.


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I hope they don't do what is going on in New Zealand. Give me one package that is easy let me pay once per month as I do now.

 

Making things difficult pisses me off.


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