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Syrian Civil War News and Discussions

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Battle for Syria's future enters new dangerous phase

Six months after the Syrian uprising began it seems clear that peaceful protests aimed at overthrowing the regime and ousting President Bashar al-Assad have failed. With no prospect of meaningful national dialogue in sight, the conflict now appears to be shifting into a new, infinitely more hazardous phase: the weaponisation of the revolution. Syria is moving inexorably from Arab spring to an ever darker, dangerous winter of discontent.


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From http://www.guardian....d?newsfeed=true

I think it'll get worse than the Libyan uprising and either they'll fail to uprise or they'll win but have major caasualties.


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This is not looking good. If it does go into full revolution, I wonder what other countries will follow.

It's sad, but it looks like we'll be seeing even more of this:
http://www.cnn.com/2...mutilated-body/
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BTW since we are all advocates of advancing technologies, how do you feel that this stuff spreads like wildfire on Twitter and Facebook? You know the uprising and people participating in them.
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It could go both ways. Is the technology being used to organize protests or organize riots? Depends on the situation. I would say the majority of stuff spread on social networks is meant to be peaceful, it just get's out of hand once it starts. Usually.
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The Egyptian riots started on Facebook, Libyas on Twitter I believe. Gadaffi shut down his country's internet so the riots wouldn't spread but, the UN helped the Libyans create a temporary portable internet. It was a really cool project. I'll try to find the article again.
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Thanks, that would be interesting to read. ;)
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It was for Egypt mostly but surely its used in LIbya.


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Thanks a lot
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The West is trying to create "total chaos" to break up Syria, the country's foreign minister has said.


From http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-15070120

I didn't even now the west were trying to break up Syria?
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anyone watched last night on BBC 1 program about Syria and how it all started, very interesting. BBC Panorama http://www.bbc.co.uk...ret_Revolution/
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anyone watched last night on BBC 1 program about Syria and how it all started, very interesting.

BBC Panorama

http://www.bbc.co.uk...ret_Revolution/


Yeah i watched it, It was very Interesting.
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Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has delivered a rare TV address, denouncing his opponents as "enemies of God and puppets of the West".

He lamented the suffering of the people in the civil war, saying a "black cloud" of pain engulfed every corner.

Mr Assad also set out a plan involving a national dialogue conference and a referendum on a national charter.

The UN estimates that more than 60,000 people have been killed in the uprising, which began in March 2011.

 

From http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-20924452

 

He should get the country in the 21st Century not like the 14th or 15th Centuries. by helping each other if it's the West or East.


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He's trying to salvage himself.

 

Not possible, after at least 60,000 people have died. The rebels are screaming for his blood.


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It was not too long ago the Western media was predicting imminent collapse for the Assad regime. However, over the last little while however small the victories have been they have begun adding up for the Syrian president. It now appears according to a report from the German secret intelligence that Assad will regain the entirety of the south of the country this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they collapse even faster than that as morale is apparently collapsing there. 

 

I made this prediction as part of my predictions for 2013, that the rebels will be crushed. I have never understood how anyone thought that without intervention the rebels would crush this regime. Syria never has been, or ever was comparable to Egypt or Libya, the former had a dictatorship that could not take overwhelmingly strong steps against opponents or risk alienating the U.S., and in the latter Gaddaffi had spent a good part of the last two decades in power dismantling his own military. Syria not only has a major military, but it is propped up by other foreign powers. Assad has apparently also studied his history and foreign politics well, he knows that if a regime comes out swinging, and with organization the chance for successful revolution becomes very slim, I am also convinced he understands that after Iraq there is very little appetite in the Western public for intervention in another Middle Eastern country, especially one that threatens to degenerate into another Iraq. I am sure much of Obama's bluster is simply to try to quell the war hawks in Washington, although he has absolutely no intention to do anything about Syria (or Iran for that matter). Unfortunately for our war-loving Republicans, they have little to no support in the American public to go through with this intervention they so want, and I think their continued calls for intervention in other countries is part of the reason their support is so low - the American public is not stupid, they know how much this will cost and they are unwilling to do a war with such a bad economy.

 

The rebels have absolutely failed to win world-wide sympathy, unlike in Libya where there was a relatively centralized resistance, with heads that could be considered moderate and even pro-Western. Syria has no organization, and there are factions being accused of atrocities or associated with al-Qaeda. This does nothing but make the Western public even less willing to go into this country. I believe now that the damage is done any no new public relations campaign by the rebels will help them, the Western public already sees these guys as no friend of theirs and will not allow their government to do anything more than covert assistance. 

 

Frankly, I think this war has gotten to the point where Assad could gas the rebels out of existence with a major chemical weapons blitz and end the war without much fear or repercussion. The politics simply do not favor the rebels. Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey who have been feeding weapons and funds to the rebels have done nothing by damage their own legitimacy with the Muslim mainstream and have in fact probably destabilized their own regimes. I could see Iran taking advantage of this to try and restart uprising in Bahrain, as I think Iran is beginning to think that Assad will outright win the war, and it can begin getting back to it's pre-Arab Spring agenda of expanding it's influence. With which ousting the Bahraini monarchy, and the American fleet stationed there as it's top priority, and increasing it's influence over Iraq and it's oil fields. 

 

Think I'm on target with my prediction, or totally off?

 

http://news.national...n-to-lose-hope/

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It seems like they are losing ground, but syria's government is provoking war with very powerful countries. If turkey gets involved, the rebels won't even have to lift a finger to win. If  the rebels make the conflict multinational,  they could win.


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It seems like they are losing ground, but syria's government is provoking war with very powerful countries. If turkey gets involved, the rebels won't even have to lift a finger to win. If  the rebels make the conflict multinational,  they could win.

 

Turkey will not get involved directly.



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It seems like they are losing ground, but syria's government is provoking war with very powerful countries. If turkey gets involved, the rebels won't even have to lift a finger to win. If  the rebels make the conflict multinational,  they could win.

 

Turkey will not get involved directly.

Hmph. Fucking pansies.

If Turkey does interfere, it would still be a good substitutue for Al Qaeda and cannibals.


Edited by Guyverman1990, 26 May 2013 - 10:15 PM.


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My prediction: Elections in Syria will go ahead in 2014 and Asad will win. 



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Prediction: The situation in Syria will deteriorate rapidly over some insipid controversy and the lack of full aid to the rebels will lead them to siding further with terrorist groups. This in turn leads to the fighting spreading outwards and the rebels being blamed and thus more support for the regime until something happens that damns the regime in the eyes of some other country and this leads to some sort of exchange. Russia/China, as usual, are the trolls who support the ones that the West acts against and tensions rise.  The news media decides to play it up like a world war is about to erupt, scaring Americans into backing the rebels with arms and supplies. Iran backs the regime while supplying a certain faction of the rebels. At some point, the regime becomes mired in a new conflict. Best case scenario, it's soon resolved and a new revolt is attempted in Syria. Realistic scenario, it's not resolved soon and becomes a quagmire. Worst case scenario, ulterior countries send their troops there. All are pretty poor options since a new revolt would just destabilize the region further.

Assad goes into exile around 2015. The whole thing deteriorates further into near open warfare and involves Israel/Lebanon. 

At some goddamn point around here, North Korea trolls us all again, but we're so tense that someone jumps the gun and the shit hits the fan.

 

Then I'm forced to be drafted in the goddamn military and take a bullet to the head at the tender old age of 22, but survive and live out my days in the new socialist world order hellbent on seeking a transhumanist dystopia with no chance of ever joining the upper echelons of society and so I turn to writing, get my ass kicked, and discover that the world's become a 1984-esque hellhole. And then some rebellion starts, and mires down the world and keeps us in a limbo of progress and retrogression until the goddamn year 2035 when, the government, so fatigued by constant warfare and terrorist attacks, loses control and all hell breaks loose. And then some new goddamn Hitler comes to power and there goes America, as everyone begins moving back to the Old World since the New One has been nuked to hell, and its there that I become unfathomably rich and 

Wait, what were we talking about?

 

Meh, the rebels will probably be able to mount a suspicious comeback within a few months.


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If the West decided to man-up and support the rebels sooner then maybe they wouldn't rely so heavily on resorting to extremism.

 







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