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The creation of guns with 3 printer is what scares me the most. how we are going to avoid it

 

I think this is scary too, but I think this is inevitable.

Another big thing will be copyright when 3D scanners become cheaper... what prevent's you from scanning anything and just copy it.

 

Eventually it will weaker mafia organizations like the Camorra ...they live out of trafficking weapons...but who knows maybe instead a new type of business will be made..



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Copyright isn't really a problem. Which black smith had the first patent on the scimitar? Who patented gun powder? The wheel?

 

as for guns. more than 900 million guns exist in the world right now. and Less 0.001% of which will be used in violence against another person, If you include accidents and suicide the number might roughly triple.

 

The boston marathon bombers show us that restricting access to guns won't stop those who want to kill and harm, and those are the only ones we are worried about... right? I mean honestly are people just scared of a thing that has a lower risk of killing you or anyone you know than a hammer? Or are we going to be a bit more logical about this and make the point that gun crime is the issue not the existance of guns in general.

 

As soon as we resolve that issue we can figure things out better.

 

I honestly don't know what people are thinking is going to happen. As if that genie is ever going back in the bottle. Please. Pick a country that prevents the citizens from owning guns, then tell me nobody in the country has guns. No mafia member or immigrant extremist has ever had a gun. No gun has ever crossed into the country illegally.

 

Guns are here and they will likely remain for a great many more centuries to come. The worlds had crap for luck getting rid of drugs, and crafting meth is a hell of a lot harder to do than making something that will fire a bullet without exploding and killing the shooter too. But likewise just because drugs can be made at home doesn't mean everybody everywhere is a hopeless addict and pushing to kids to destroy their lives.

 

Finally, lets be very realistic here. The 3d printed guns that fire more than a few shot, they are printed in pieces inside a specilist type of 3d printer that costs several thousand dollars. Nobody alone in their apartment with a grudge and impulse will be able to finance such a device and it's specialty materials it needs to print with, and then spend the months researching the parts and designs to the detail level needed to print them, then spend the week printing the parts, another few days lubricating them, and assembling them in the right order. then they still have to buy the rounds for it.

 

With a few hundred bucks you could get hand tools and a book that would give you all the info you need and between hand machining stock from metal suppliers and parts that would suffice from a hardware store you could make a gun in under a week.

 

The only reason anybody hears about printing guns if gun phobes freak when they hear it, and gun humping loonies militantly over react when the phobes over react. If people weren't flipping their shit about the potential to print gun parts, gun nuts wouldn't bother with attempts to make plans free and get attention for being able to print guns. It's just one big "Are Too!" - "Are Not!" Shouting match, where every side is more conscerned with the fact that there is more than one side in the discussion than with any real facts or common sense.


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Nothing prevents you, that's the problem. Nothing at all.

 

Yet another reason free market capitalism is doomed to fail in a matter of decades.

 

I'm very split about the copyright and piracy issue- on the one hand, information and ideas want to be free, and it feels like that should be the default position. To suppress its nature is unnatural, and is way more trouble than it's worth.

 

On the other hand, as a writer, it would suck to have a movie or game I spent a lot of effort on flop because people were watching it on torrents instead.

 

3D printers will only make the whole copyright/piracy issue harder to enforce, by taking the physical realm into the same post-scarcity realm the internet provides.

Wow, 3D printers really are a game-changer.



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while not about copyright or 3d printing, this ted talk is by somebody I think makes a good argument about what the future of creative works and how the creators will gain for their efforts.http://www.ted.com/t..._of_asking.html


Edited by kjaggard, 05 May 2013 - 10:15 PM.

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kjaggard makes a good comment on the problem of 3D guns. Though I think it will have less of a impact in countries like the USA, where they are legal than in places like Europe (where they're not).

 

They may be expensive now, but in 10 years?

 

It's not guns that are the problem, but powerful manufacturing groups who will see this technology as incredibly disruptive (despite the fact that they have used it for decades).

 

They could lobby the gvt to put copyright laws to stop people being able to print what they want.

 

It will be interesting to see how we get around that.

 

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would it really make an appreciable difference though in the UK. I mean there are other european countries that don't restrict gun ownership like that. But just say for instance the first fully printable pistol came out and say for sake of argument everybody in the UK has a printer in the line of the ones that run about 3000 pounds to buy in their homes.

 

In this scenario do you feel the need to print one yourself? Heres a hint, I'm willing to bet 80% of your countrymates feel the same way. and of the remaining 20% maybe 18% wouldn't care if it worked or not, just more about assembling a work of historical art like a Le Matt revolver. and of the remaining 2 % I'd bet 1.8% who want it to be able to fire rounds and not be ruined, do you imagine they have any intent to use the damn thing, or have an opportunity to. They aren't exactly going to go waving it around in the street, or openly strapped to their hip.

 

So imagine you get all the way through that and you've got 0.2% of the population of the UK rough estimates brings that to roughly one person per square mile of the UK. Where the hell are they going to get ammo? and even harder get ammo without being noticed?

 

so maybe a thousand people in all the UK get the guns printed, and the ammo without being caught, and desire to shoot it, and nobody catches on to them before it all happens, and they hide it well enough that nobody sees they have it until they go to use it. are they all going to do this on the same day every week or is just one going to do it once every three months?

 

Most shootings are 1 on 1. The UK already has more shooting deaths per year than that now.


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as to the the copyrightt stifle of 3d printers and other user generated content, Lawrence Lessig, does a talk called laws that choke creativity. In it he compare cultures to read only vs read/write, and how culture has been for some time a read only culture, but modern tech has opened the path for read/write culture again. But laws are getting in the way trying to hold on to read only. Basically consume only, do not create or recreate anything.

 

And in my mind the story he tells of a music industry that tried to strong arm broadcasters until in 1939 as the big guys tried to hold music ransom, and a group called BMI cracked open untouched and second grade music. BMI broadened the options and opened access to those who couldn't get through to the public before (notably african american influenced music that wasn't heard or seen eccept if you knew where to go find it). And the people didn't starve for the loss of the Big Guys material, it awoke a new boom and allowed for a time read write culture again.

 

The tech we have now, means that we simply don't need copyrighters content anymore. There are a thousand sources of content for everyone holding their designs ransom, and they are free. It gets better every year. This isn't just about of music, or movies anymore. It's about objects and tools and devices.


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http://sd08.senate.c...-printable-guns


Edited by kjaggard, 09 May 2013 - 07:59 AM.

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America, fuck yeah! Because prohibition always works perfectly :p


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Downloads for 3D-printed Liberator gun reach 100,000
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The blueprint used to produce a 3D-printed plastic gun has been downloaded about 100,000 times since going online earlier this week, according to Forbes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-22464360


Edited by Zaphod, 09 May 2013 - 01:40 PM.


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On the other hand, as a writer, it would suck to have a movie or game I spent a lot of effort on flop because people were watching it on torrents instead.

 

In a post-capitalist world, your book not selling any copies would not make it a "flop." What really matters is that people read your work, enjoy it, recognize you for it, and spread good word about it to others. Creativity is capital. Money is just a middleman. 



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http://sd08.senate.c...-printable-guns

 

Stupid, stupid government. When will you realize there are some things best left uncontrolled?



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How exactly do they plan to enforce this? Link every printer into a network and check each printing job? Or perhaps scan the entire Internet and delete all gun blueprints?

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Not to mention that 3D printers aren't exactly (yet) cheap, and you can home-make guns for very, very cheap.


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Here's something I just thought of: 3D-printed guns require a higher grade of material to produce, otherwise they break down after a couple uses. You won't be able to purchase this specific material without psychological screening, and even then they would have to keep their eye on you.

 

But seriously, the government should just stop trying to get involved in things they won't be able to enforce. They don't recognize that post-scarcity technology is at odds with control as its very nature; they tried this with the internet and now 3D printers.



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Did anyone visit the new iMakr store in London? It's the biggest 3D printing store in the world now.



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Obama Announces $200 Million Program for 3D Printing and Innovation

 

http://on3dprinting....illion-program/



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Get your shares in stock now.

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UK reporters built a 3D-printed gun and took it on board Eurostar without being stopped

 

http://www.3ders.org...ng-stopped.html



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Kind of old, but someone got 75% of their skull replaced with a 3D-printed implant.

 

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