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Chavez wins again
http://www.bbc.co.uk...merica-19867445



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He'll be going out in a cardboard boxs.

To follow my work on tropical cyclones


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^ ^ U're an nasty fella aren't you!?
It's dangerous to be right, when your government is wrong.
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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It's dangerous to be right, when your government is wrong.
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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Viva Hugo Chàvez Frías! No Pasaran, you assholes! Chávez is the greatest leader in the world today. I love his rambling style and oratory skills, as well as how he trolls the United States and Israel. I also appreciate how he is giving money to the poor and is allowing criminals to roam around in middle class neighbourhoods. Nothing is so fun as to see doctors, lawyers and principals experiencing the shattering of their little bourgeois shell when the real world stomps in. Also, Chàvez has done much to deconstruct the Venezuelan state, and have allowed the poors control over their own neighbourhoods.

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Yeah, big accomplishments @Avanti. We really should bow our knees and start worshipping him ASAP! @Topic: His victory over his opponent was, imo, to be expected. I never really doubted he'd win, for better or for worse, he's being backed by the masses of venezuelan people, mostly the poor, who see no other way and see their best shot in Chavez. After all, what do they have to lose?

"All scientific advancement due to intellegence overcoming, compensating, for limitations. Can't carry a load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food, so invent spear. Limitations. No limitations, no advancement. No advancement, culture stagnates. Works other way too. Advancement before culture is ready. Disastrous."

There's definitely truth in that...


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No doubt a clean election, no fraud revealed in public, so No shots fired.

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He has done nothing to advance humanity in technology. Quite the opposite sadly.

To follow my work on tropical cyclones


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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a former paratrooper who rose to prominence as the leader of a failed military coup, only to survive an attempted overthrow of his own, has died, Vice President Nicolas Maduro said.

 

Chavez's death came after a protracted battle with cancer. He was 58.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100373867

 

 

 

Does his death have anything to do with the fact Venezuela has world's 2nd largest oil reserves of 211 billion barrels?

 

I doubt it but anything is possible. What may not be obvious right now will be so later.


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BYE Chavez. Fighter against Capitalism.



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It'll be interesting to see how the political fallout from this goes. They already broke the rules by foregoing the swearing in. They were supposed to have another election if he wasn't able to be sworn in.



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Not particularly surprised by this development he had been ill for a long time, while some people really like him, he really didn't accomplish much towards making Venezuela a much richer and more equitable society. Hopefully his successor will be more open minded and move Venezuela forward.



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Protests against the government of Nicolas Maduro have turned deadly after 3 protesters were killed in gunfire at an opposition demonstration. Maduro has responded by ordered a ban to demonstrations, arrest of opposition leaders, blocking of websites in response. He is claiming that this is a coup organized by the U.S. and Columbia, denounced the protesters as "hordes of fascists" and that they won't stop the "revolution" occurring in Latin America and the Caribbean. The protesters are mainly complaining about the scarcity of goods, skyrocketing inflation, and the overall sharp deterioration of Venezuela's economy, which to no-one's surprise Maduro is blaming on a "parasitic bourgeoisie". Awesome, I didn't realize just how hardcore communist this guy was until now.

 

Scary thing is that other countries in South America actually support this guy: Argentina, Bolivia, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua just to name a few... all a bunch of totally basket case economies run by increasingly corrupt and authoritarian governments.

 



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http://www.reuters.c...EA1E0W320140215

 

 (Reuters) - Thousands of supporters of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro marched in central Caracas on Saturday to call for peace and make a show of political strength after this week's deadly violence at street protests.

 

In a prosperous eastern part of the capital, at least 1,000 protesters gathered to demand the president's resignation, denouncing him over grievances ranging from political repression to daily issues such as inflation, shortages of basic products, and rampant crime.

 

"You want to see people in the streets? We'll give you people in the streets," the president said to loud applause and cheers of "No to fascism!" at the rally.

 

Addressing the crowd from a pastel-colored stage displaying the slogan "People of Peace," he mocked the demands of protesters who want him to step down.

 

"I'm not going to give up one millimeter of the power the Venezuelan people have given me ... nothing will stop me from building this revolution which commandant Chavez left us!"

 

Late on Friday, police used teargas and water cannon to clear some 1,000 protesters from Altamira Square in eastern Caracas, where some of them had lit trash bonfires and blocked streets.

 

The protesters are vowing to defy Maduro's ban on unauthorized demonstrations, put in place after three people were shot dead this week after an opposition-led march.

 

On Saturday, supporters of the opposition gathered again to sing and chant slogans in the square. Many then set off to block a major highway, as they had done briefly the night before.

 

"They say we're rich kids, but I'm from a humble family," said Joseph Sandoval, a 24-year-old student. "I represent the majority of Venezuelans who are sick of seeing our country sinking like this."

 

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The protesters blame Maduro for a host of complaints ranging from the fast-rising cost of living, shortages of basic products in stores, and one of the highest murder rates in the world.

 

Demonstrations that end in bloodshed could, however, play into the president's hands by helping him unite factions within the ruling Socialist Party, divide the opposition coalition where many question the wisdom of the street tactics - and distract people from economic problems.

 

Venezuela's state prosecutor said 25 of 99 people arrested in connection with this week's violence had been freed pending trial, and that the others would be processed within hours.

 

Maduro, a burly 51-year-old former bus driver and union boss, has staked his presidency on maintaining Chavez's radical socialism...

 

Supporters say he is the victim of Western "imperial" propaganda and saboteurs seeking to discredit Chavez's legacy.

 

"We have to celebrate the revolution, which is love and peace," said Kaina Lovera, 16, wearing a white T-shirt emblazoned with the late leader's face.

 

Maduro's critics say he is wrecking the economy by sticking with failed Chavez-era policies such as currency and price controls, which many local economists blame for the shortages.

 

Among those critics is hardline opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez, whom the government calls the "face of fascism" and the intellectual author of the violence.

 

The 42-year-old U.S.-educated economist says peaceful marches organized by his Popular Will party have been infiltrated by provocateurs and attacked by militant pro-government gangs known locally as "colectivos."

Lopez remains in his home in the Chacao district of eastern Caracas where he was once mayor, colleagues said, despite a judge's arrest warrant for him.

 

It was not immediately clear why police had not acted on the warrant, though such a move could fuel further protests. Maduro demanded on Saturday that Lopez surrender himself.

 

"The opposition organize these violent groups, and then they hide and cry," the president said. "You fugitive from justice, trembling with fear, you fascist coward! Hand yourself in!"


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Is South America still messed up like that? Geez, how long does it take these corrupt people to grow old and die?


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Cuba deploys troops to Venezuela

 

*Rolls eyes*

 

http://dolartoday.co...s-en-venezuela/



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I'm not quite sure if Maduro is a full fledged dictator yet, he was given some very authoritarian powers in November by the congress, or if he is just a quasi-dictator well on his way there. Anyways here are some of my favorite quotes from him which are just totally insane. 

 

1. Maduro says that Venezuela's crime rates are the result of soap operas - http://news.national...ing-crime-rate/

 

2. Maduro promises to crackdown on "Toilet Paper Mafia" after toilet paper shortages - http://www.dallasblo...aper-mafia.html

 

3. Venezuelans can't find milk, Maduro responds by forcing retailers to lower the price of TVs - http://www.theguardi...llar-corruption

 

Can't get any more nonsensical than this. 



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Is South America still messed up like that? Geez, how long does it take these corrupt people to grow old and die?

Fidel Castro is in target to living to his 200th birthday, bro. He can survive radioactive fallout and chemical warfare. So there isn't much dying.
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Problem is that, in the past at least, the opposition to the present party in power was less respectful of democratic processes and sticking to the truth in their rhetoric than was Hugo Chavez and his supporters. Chavez also pursued policies that genuinely helped the lower economic strata of Venezuela. I agree that is not a good sign that there are credible reports that Maduro is cracking down on protestors. It is never good to see such developments.

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