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What is going on in South America is the consolidation of Latin American states into two basic alliances: the Pacific Alliance (Chile, Mexico, Peru, Columbia, Costa Rica) and Mercosur (Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia) the former are generally the right-leaning countries who believe in free markets and trade, all of which are seeing rapid development and if they were put together would form the 8th largest economy on the planet and growing. Canada and the United States may join or associate more closely with this group. On the other hand Mercosur is heavily socialist and widely started and held together by Hugo Chavez, since his death we are seeing that this system of increasingly socialist, protectionist, anti-Western states which do not adhere to economic fundamentals is unstable. The governments of Venezuela and Argentina have responded by blaming the West and speculators, many of these states are also becoming increasingly authoritarian in nature (particularly Venezeula). There is another group called the Bolivarian Alliance which has been formed which consists of Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Ecuador (?) these are some of the most repressive and authoritarian leading states in South America. 



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Shock and crisis will probably be Latin America's future.

As a reader of  old time radical literature, I have delved into in what I call “crisis” literature. This is mostly analytical works of economies and governments in crisis. Recently, I have been reading Naomi Klein’s book The Shock Doctrine. It is a very disturbing book about the inordinate influence of the so-called Chicago school of economics. What the book makes clear is that it is not just scholars on the left who have examined societies in crisis, but economists on the right as well. These economists, mostly followers of Milton Friedman, have used their insights to force governments to privatize government assets and other wise move away from radical, or even moderately liberal, policies.

Perhaps most spectacularly, this occurred when Pinochet ousted Allende in Chile in the early 70s. It also occurred in a less pure form after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 90s. These events have resulted in corrupt elements being able to seize vast sectors of public wealth in their own names. Most desirably from the Friedman point of view is when foreign investors, particularly from the United States, seize these assets. In the case of Russia, policy makers made sure that it was a bunch of home grown oligarchs who benefited from these dramatic shifts in government policy.

The Friedmanites were so often successful at this by acting at times of great transition brought on by crisis. They took advantage of the vulnerable positions that societies found themselves in to prescribe economic policies that were of dubious worth. These policies stressed heavily so-called "free market" principles. Naomi’s work is thus a great companion to John Perkins’ Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. Perkin’s reveals the utterly cynical nature of this process. The value of Naomi’s work is how she traces the thread of the Milton Friedman and his influence throughout many international events.
 
Today, despite claims to the contrary, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador all have funcitoning democratic governments presided over by center-left or leftist leaders. Michele Bachelet is a socialist who has served as president of Chile. Although a conservative is presently serving as president there, Bachelet's popularity is such that she is poised to once again be elected as the leader of that country. Dilma Roussef is a moderate leader of the center-left who is now president of Brazil. She has also had recent problems with demonstrators in that country, but it is still a functioning democracy.


 
 
 
 

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Shock and crisis will probably be Latin America's future.

As a reader of  old time radical literature, I have delved into in what I call “crisis” literature. This is mostly analytical works of economies and governments in crisis. Recently, I have been reading Naomi Klein’s book The Shock Doctrine. It is a very disturbing book about the inordinate influence of the so-called Chicago school of economics. What the book makes clear is that it is not just scholars on the left who have examined societies in crisis, but economists on the right as well. These economists, mostly followers of Milton Friedman, have used their insights to force governments to privatize government assets and other wise move away from radical, or even moderately liberal, policies.

Perhaps most spectacularly, this occurred when Pinochet ousted Allende in Chile in the early 70s. It also occurred in a less pure form after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 90s. These events have resulted in corrupt elements being able to seize vast sectors of public wealth in their own names. Most desirably from the Friedman point of view is when foreign investors, particularly from the United States, seize these assets. In the case of Russia, policy makers made sure that it was a bunch of home grown oligarchs who benefited from these dramatic shifts in government policy.

The Friedmanites were so often successful at this by acting at times of great transition brought on by crisis. They took advantage of the vulnerable positions that societies found themselves in to prescribe economic policies that were of dubious worth. These policies stressed heavily so-called "free market" principles. Naomi’s work is thus a great companion to John Perkins’ Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. Perkin’s reveals the utterly cynical nature of this process. The value of Naomi’s work is how she traces the thread of the Milton Friedman and his influence throughout many international events.
 
Today, despite claims to the contrary, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador all have funcitoning democratic governments presided over by center-left or leftist leaders. Michele Bachelet is a socialist who has served as president of Chile. Although a conservative is presently serving as president there, Bachelet's popularity is such that she is poised to once again be elected as the leader of that country. Dilma Roussef is a moderate leader of the center-left who is now president of Brazil. She has also had recent problems with demonstrators in that country, but it is still a functioning democracy.


 
 
 
 

 

 

I didn't say there is any problem with Bachelet. She is quite different however than those running the other 4 countries (Bolivia, Nicaragua, Ecuador, and Brazil you mention) all of which economically are doing ok, but there is rampant nepotism and corruption there, and at least in Nicaragua the democratic process is dubious. Venezuela and Argentina are total basket-cases though. Mexico and Honduras are both hampered by a catastrophic U.S. war on drugs. 



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[color=#ff0000;]BREAKING: MADURO UNLEASHES MILITARY ON PROTESTERS[/color]

 

Another day moving towards a hugely authoritarian dictatorship under this fruitcake.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...nrest-1.2545816



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Why are the people protesting at all? The country is already a constitutional federal socialist republic.



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Why are the people protesting at all? The country is already a constitutional federal socialist republic.

 

Um, cause there is no food on the shelves, and prices are skyrocketing for everything from serious mismanagement of the nation's economy.


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^ Exactly, I would hardly call myself pro-capitalist, but when you the government appropriates businesses which are successful enough, that doesn't exactly encourage innovation.



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[color=#ff0000;]BREAKING: One of Venezuela's socialist governors calls on Maduro to release opposition leader Lopez[/color]

 

Do I sense dissension in the governing party? I think Ukraine is emboldening the protesters here. If the protests persist I could see him being overthrown. The death toll meanwhile as risen to 13, the risk of conflict here is rising. Some other neighbors like Cuba, have sent reinforcements to Venezuela to possibly help crush the protests, as a successful revolution in Venezuela could start a chain reaction through Latin America.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...to-13-1.2548864



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President Maduro severs ties with Panama

 

For asking the OAS to discuss the situation in the country. President Dumdumb of Venezuela strikes again.

 

http://www.bbc.com/n...merica-26461530



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More foolishness from Maduro.

 

They don't have the foreign reserves required to pay airlines, so airlines are cutting services to Venezuela and he is blaming it on capitalist conspirators yet again....

 

When will he get the message that there is no conspiracy against him from the U.S., Canada or anyone else. They don't care at all about Venezuela all the problems are his government's own doing...

 

http://blogs.ft.com/.../#axzz2wJIDSPJe



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Good explanation from Caspian Report:

 



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The socialist utopia that is Venezuela has come up with a brilliant idea to deal with the shortages of food and goods that face the citizens due to the horrific mismanagement of the economy. To stop people from "hoarding" and "smuggling" people will be fingerprinted when they go to the grocery store which will determine how many goods they are allowed to have. Sounds like a great place to live... just kidding...

 

http://www.zerohedge...e-fingerprinted

http://abcnews.go.co...oppers-25073950



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Insta movie script.

Ext. Local Market, Venenzuala. 2017 - Day. Scene 1.

MarcZ, on a trip to visit friends (Juan, and Gabriel), is taken along to the local grocery store to help pack up on groceries. MarcZ is clueless as to what is going to happen.

Juan: Come on man, the store is right over there

The local grocery store is filled with a 30 minute to 1 hour line to the entrance

Juan: Good thing we came early.

*MarcZ looks in horror at the thing called 'a failed economy'*

MarcZ: Can someone save our stand in line?

*Gabriel shakes head*

Gabriel: They'll beat you.

MarcZ: The people?

Gabriel: No, the police.

*Gabriel nods to officers standing near the entrance in full riot gear*

MarcZ: Jesus...

After 48 minutes of waiting they finally reach the entrance

Juan: You got to put your finger on this device, man.

*Juan puts finger on fingerprint scanner*

MarcZ: Wait, a finger print scanner?

Gabriel: Yeah, pretty cool huh?

Fingerprint Scanner (in Spanish): ID: 224577392 Name: Kinky, Juan

*MarcZ try's hard to resist a laugh*

Fingerprint Scanner (in Spanish): Maximum Grocery Expenditure: $10USD (translate to Venezuelan currency)

*Scanner prints out ticket out of slot*

Juan: Wow, so much money, man!

*Gabriel walks up to the fingerprint scanner and goes through the same process. MarcZ is growing ever concerned something might happened. They never mentioned this at the airport. After wiping his first summonings of sweat, he goes for the scanner*

Fingerprint Scanner (in Spanish): ERROR. UNIDENTIFIABLE.

*He tries again*

Fingerprint Scanner (in Spanish): ERROR. UNIDENTIFIABLE.

*at the corner of his eyes, he can see the police approaching*

Fingerprint Scanner (in Spanish): ERROR. UNIDENTIFIABLE. ERROR. UNIDENTIFIABLE. ERROR. UNIDENTIFIABLE

Police 1 (in Spanish): Hands behind your back and come along.

*under immense stress, MarcZ tries to loosen the situation with a bad joke*

MarcZ: I'm sorry, I don't speak socialist.

Police 2 (Accented but grammatically correct English): Hands behind your back, american.

MarcZ: Why?!? I haven't done anything wrong!

Police 2: You have been charged with attempted smuggling of Venezuelan grocery supplies.

MarcZ: But I'm not carrying grocery supplies on me!

Police 2: You have attempted to. Now come peacefully or I'll have to use force.

*police 2 commands police 1 to detain him. Police 1 cuffs MarcZ and pushes him into a police vehicle*

End Scene 1

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Very dystopian.
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Don't be so judgemental, perhaps we will have need of something like this one day. What would you rather have, this or looting?

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Don't be so judgemental, perhaps we will have need of something like this one day. What would you rather have, this or looting?

I don't know where you live (in California) but where I live the people aren't on the verge of looting.



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Yes, looting is the cause of poverty.

 

Shoplifting is the cause of bored, middle-class woman.



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Don't be so judgemental, perhaps we will have need of something like this one day. What would you rather have, this or looting?

 

i was thinking the same way, probably when post-scarcity is almost real.


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Don't be so judgemental, perhaps we will have need of something like this one day. What would you rather have, this or looting?

 

i was thinking the same way, probably when post-scarcity is almost real.

 

 

This is not something that arises from a "post-scarcity" society this arises from an extreme-scarcity society. 



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how is the communist AI overlord going to know who is who and how to account to each?


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