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Ireland demands 'significantly more clarity' from UK over Brexit border

 

https://www.reuters....r-idUSKBN1DU15F

 

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DUBLIN/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Ireland needs Britain to provide “significantly more clarity” on its plans for the Irish border, Foreign Minister Simon Coveney said on Thursday, denting hopes that London was on the verge of a deal to move on to the second phase of Brexit talks.

 

But British Prime Minister Theresa May’s room to offer additional concessions to Dublin appeared extremely limited as the Northern Ireland party propping up her government hinted it might withdraw its support if she gives too much.

 

Avoiding a so-called “hard border” on the island of Ireland is the last major hurdle before Brexit talks can move to negotiations on Britain’s future trade relationship with the EU and a possible two-year Brexit transition deal.

 

A mis-step by May could bring down the British government or spook British businesses fearful of a cliff-edge Brexit without a transition deal.

 

“We are looking for significantly more clarity than we currently have from the British negotiating team,” Coveney told parliament in Dublin, adding that “constructive ambiguity” from Britain would not suffice.


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I wonder if we will be able to rejoin once all the old people who think we're still a major world power have died?



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I really hope the talks fail, and that our government is plunged into crisis.

 

Then hopefully the Tories collapse in 2018, a general election is called, Article 50 is cancelled and this whole Brexit madness is brought to an end.

 

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As Brexit deal takes shape, Juncker to meet MEPs

December 3, 2017

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission added to mounting confidence in Brussels that it is set for a Brexit deal with London when it scheduled talks with EU lawmakers ahead of a crunch meeting on Monday with Theresa May.

However, EU officials and diplomats cautioned on Sunday that it was still unclear that a deal would be struck with the British prime minister when she meets the EU executive.

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Verhofstadt and his colleagues wrote to the EU negotiators last week to sound an alarm at what they said were “stalled” talks on EU demands that the rights of EU citizens in Britain be guaranteed directly by the European Court of Justice after Britain leaves the European Union. They also voiced concern about Northern Ireland.

Parliament must ratify any treaty on Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union before Brexit in March 2019 in order to create the smooth transition period May wants, and so it will be vital to both sides to keep the legislators on board.

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The EU wants outline accords on three critical divorce terms before it will open negotiations on the transition and a future free trade pact that would follow. May’s lunch on Monday is a deadline for the EU to have her final offers before EU leaders consider whether to agree at a Dec. 15 summit to launch Phase 2.

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Theresa May faces new crisis after mass walkout over social policy

 

https://www.theguard...cy-alan-milburn

 

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(The Guardian) Theresa May was plunged into a new crisis on Saturday night after the government’s social mobility adviser revealed he and his team were quitting, warning that the prime minister was failing in her pledge to build a “fairer Britain”.

 

In a major blow to No 10, Alan Milburn, the former Labour cabinet minister who chairs the government’s social mobility commission, said that he and all three of his fellow commissioners were walking out – including a leading conservative, Gillian Shephard. The move will be seen as a direct challenge to May’s vow in Downing Street to place fairness and social justice at the heart of her premiership.

 

In his resignation letter, seen by the Observer, Milburn warns that dealing with Brexit means the government “does not seem to have the necessary bandwidth to ensure the rhetoric of healing social division is matched with the reality.

 

“I have little hope of the current government making the progress I believe is necessary to bring about a fairer Britain,” he tells the prime minister. “It seems unable to commit to the future of the commission as an independent body or to give due priority to the social mobility challenge facing our nation.”

 

The resignations come with the prime minister already under pressure, as she faces crunch Brexit talks and questions over the future of her most senior minister, Damian Green.

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UK and EU fail to strike Brexit talks deal

4 December 2017

 

The UK and EU have failed to reach an agreement to move to the next stage of Brexit talks, Theresa May has said.

The prime minister said talks would reconvene "before the end of the week" and she was "confident we will conclude this positively".

The talks are understood to have broken down after the DUP refused to accept concessions on the Irish border issue.

Downing Street said that was not the only outstanding problem.

Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said a deal had been done but the UK appeared to change its mind over the Irish border question after pressure from the DUP.

"I am surprised and disappointed that the British government now appears not to be in a position to conclude what was agreed earlier today," he told a press conference in Dublin.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-42217735


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I really hope the talks fail, and that our government is plunged into crisis.


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For non-Brits who might not remember Ed Miliband – he was the previous Labour leader, before Corbyn.

 

 

 

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if Ed had been more like that in the 2015GE maybe he would have done better he seemed stiff and unfriendly to me back then



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Not sure if this is what the poster is getting at, but:

 

There's a thing I keep hearing around Brexit: That its fuelled by resentment over London's & the southeast's preferential treatment etc. from successive governments that don't care bout the rest of the country.

 

Its true that the UK has focused a lot of it's investment's in the south east over the last few decades, but its also true that the economic output of London and the southeast dwarfs any other part of the UK and they're still paying out more than they take in, as far as public money.

 

At least according to this (which is from 2007 data but can't find any newer stuff):

http://www.isitfair....blicFinance.pdf

 

Without even factoring in the foreign investment in London and areas around it due to it's status as a global centre and cosmopolitan city filled with skilled workers from all over the world. 

 

Post Brexit, if/when London gets wrecked by our new restrictive immigration policies, and most foreign born and decent people have been driven out of the country by the inevitable racist violence we'll see how we get on when London (and the east/southeast) starts taking more money to support than they make just like the rest of the UK. 



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UK Government admits it has not done a single Impact Assessment on Brexit
 
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Makes you wonder if no studies have been done at all, or if the projected figures are so bad that it's actually less damaging to pretend they never existed.

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We need a button that means "I hate the subject under discussion a lot, but i'm glad someone shared this informative article, even if it is informing me of something terrible"



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The level of incompetence here is simply beyond belief. Words fail me. Davis should resign now.


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It drives home pretty clearly that the answer to the question "what impact will brexit have on the UK?" is "We don't give a shit" as far as the govt. is concerned. 



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Jean-Claude Juncker 'fears Theresa May's Government will collapse next week without Brexit deal'

Jean-Claude Juncker fears Theresa May’s Government could collapse next week if Brexit talks remain deadlocked, The Telegraph has learnt.
The European Commission president will extend the deadline for Mrs May to settle a dispute over the Irish border to the eve of an EU leaders’ summit next Thursday to maximise her chances of success.
It comes as Mrs May’s own MPs warned her she could be toppled “within weeks” if she comes back from Brussels next week without an agreement that trade talks can begin.


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Oh and by the way, I didn't make those Troubles mentions back in June lightly.

 

 

Ireland Border Brexit Fears 'Scaremongering' - Sky News, April 2016

 

47.9% would back a United Ireland in the event of a 'hard Brexit'

 

Irish border checkpoints would be terror targets, police chief warns


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Ed Miliband claims the Government couldn't organise 'a p*** up in a brewery' as MPs slam Brexit 'shambles'

The former Labour leader said the Prime Minister and her Conservative colleagues were a “bunch of jokers” after Mrs May appeared to make major concessions in talks with the EU on Monday. 
Mr Miliband took to Twitter to launch his astonishing attack, claiming the Government were “making it up as you go along" - appearing to refer to yesterday’s crunch talks.
He wrote on the social media site: “What an absolutely ludicrous, incompetent, absurd, make it up as you go along, couldn’t run a p*** up in a brewery bunch of jokers there are running the government at the most critical time in a generation for the country.”


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Looks like they've agreed a deal, and will now progress to trade talks.






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