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You shouldn't take things so personal.

 

You're asking too much. When Americans breaking the doors of our diplomatic missions or triumphant Poles destroying another Soviet military cemetery - to me this is always a deep personal insult.



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You shouldn't take things so personal.

 

You're asking too much. When Americans breaking the doors of our diplomatic missions or triumphant Poles destroying another Soviet military cemetery - to me this is always a deep personal insult.

 

The Polish authorities cleaned the cemetery up and condemned this though, their government can't control how a few radicals act.


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their government can't control how a few radicals act.

 

This is not "few radicals", this is deliberate nationwide campaign. Their government passed a special law ordering the destruction of Soviet war memorials throughout Poland. To make insult even deeper, this law was passed on 22 June, 2017:

 

 
What can i say? There are only very few nations i hate with passion. Here i fully agree with our great poet Alexander Pushkin:
 
"Can not be forgiven those who, in response to Russian kindness, are able to slander the Russian soul, to smear with filth the sacred pages of our history, to defame our best citizens and, not satisfied by (insulting the) living, mock the graves of our forefathers"
 
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They're the people without dignity and without soul. Today they're laughing over our pain and celebrating their glorious "victory" over dead. But i'm sure, deep under this demonstrative joy, they feel fear. World is changing, their new US master will not protect them forever, and some things are never forgotten and never forgiven...

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Eh?

This are right-wing Polish nationalists who despise communism and everything communism and communists stand for. The idea that they'd fanatically destroy statues to famous communists should come as no surprise. It's how Russia would treat its "liberal intelligentsia" who sold them out in the '90s, for one. Not to mention that the Polish don't easily forget World War II and how it was the Nazis and Soviets who invaded them. To them, the only good communist is a very dead communist. The Poles don't like us either, and I know that the Brits don't like them in tandem considering how many Poles were being attacked in the days after Brexit. I've no doubt they feel the same way about you as you do to them. They only remember that everyone, to the West and East, thought of them as worthless and stateless peasants and, if they had the chance, they'd return what they felt were injustices brought on their land tenfold.


And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.


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I've no doubt they feel the same way about you as you do to them

 

Of course, i'm well aware of this.

 

...if they had the chance, they'd return what they felt were injustices

 

As i am. But my chances are much bigger.


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And the last word about Poles. This is only the opinion of one of our historians, but to me, it seems quite plausible.

 

Though Poles suffered from all neighbors, Russia is the only nation which they really hate. And this hatred they carried through centuries and generations, regardless of any circumstances. How to explain this? One of explanations is that Poles and Russians are indeed two "fraternal" peoples with very similar mentality but very different fate. In the eyes of Poles, the main sin of Russia and Russians is that we took their place in the world history. It were we, dirty and uncivilized Muscovites, who created the huge Eurasian empire. It were they: proud, brave, talented men with huge mustaches, the pride and glory of the Slavdom, who should have done this!

 

In short, Poland is Russia which failed...



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They could at least preserve and give them back to Russia if they feel this strongly about it. Such beautiful statues belong in museums or on display, not in landfills.

 

I wasin't aware, and you're right what the Polish government is doing is wrong.


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"proud, brave, talented men with huge mustaches"

 

Ah! Mustache envy, the most ignored driver of global conflict throughout history! :biggrin:

 

Judging from all the character portraits in Hearts of Iron IV (a videogame which i've been playing recently) mustaches were a major factor in the military up until at least WW2. 



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Justice Department forces RT to register as a foreign agent 

 

http://www.motherjon...edia-outlets-1/

 

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(Mother Jones) Russian lawmakers vowed Friday to adopt legislation targeting American media outlets in response to the US Justice Department forcing RT, the English-language Russia television channel, to register as a foreign agent.

 

Vyacheslav Volodin, the chairman of Russia’s State Duma, said Russian legislators will amend a law related to foreign agents to include foreign media. Volodin, a former Putin aide, said the Duma could adopt the new legislation as soon as next week, according to news reports. “Since such decisions are being made in the United States in relation to our television companies, it is right for us to respond to these actions,” Volodin said, according to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.

 

The measure would initially target CNN, Voice of America, and Radio Liberty,” said Senator Alexei Pushkov, who chairs the upper house of parliament’s media policy committee. Maria Zakharova, the Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman, indicated the law could also target Moscow-based correspondents from newspapers including the New York Times and the Washington Post. 

 

RT, formerly Russia Today, said Thursday in a statement posted on its website that the DOJ threatened to freeze its bank accounts and arrest its top US executive if it fails to register by Monday under Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), a law that requires representatives of foreign governments to disclose information, such as employees’ contacts with government officials and political donations, in publicly available filings to the department.

 

The FBI has reportedly investigated whether RT and Sputnik, another Russian state-backed news organization that operates in the United States, function as propaganda arms for the Kremlin. A US intelligence community report on Moscow’s interference in the 2016 presidential race concluded that Sputnik and RT were part of a Russian intelligence operation aimed at helping Donald Trump win the presidency. Spreading foreign governments’ views is legal, but the DOJ appears to believe that RT’s subservience to Russia requires it to register under FARA as a foreign agent working for the primary benefit of a foreign government. Most FARA filers are lobbyists or public relations firms working in the United States on behalf of other countries or foreign political parties. No other news organizations are registered under FARA.

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Russian State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin attends a meeting of the Russian Security Council at Moscow's Kremlin on November 8, 2017.

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These are the US startups that Russian investors are backing

 

https://techcrunch.c...rs-are-backing/

 

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(TechCrunch) A taxi-hailing app. A transplant device developer. An online mortgage provider.

 

Those businesses may have little in common, but one shared thread is that U.S. startups in these sectors have all secured large funding rounds led by Russia-based investors.

 

They’re not alone. Over the past seven years, Russia-based strategic and venture investors have participated in more than 300 funding rounds for U.S.-based startups, according to Crunchbase data. Investments span all stages, major sectors and round sizes, and include both equity and debt financings. (See deal list here.)

 

The cross-border deal-making isn’t limited to Russian investors backing U.S. startups. Venture firms based in the U.S. have invested in more than 150 funding rounds for Russian startups over the past decade, with a particular focus on e-commerce and consumer internet deals. We’ll look at those trends in the second installment of this two-part series.

 

In this first installment, we’ll focus on Russia-backed rounds for U.S. startups. Below, we look at the year-over-year trends, highlight some of the biggest deals and most active investors and look at what the data set does not include.

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Justice Department forces RT to register as a foreign agent 

 

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. The State Duma unanimously adopted a similar law towards US media operating in Russia:

 

Foreign media and Russian media with foreign funding will be forcibly classified as foreign agents. If the media does not comply with the requirements of the new law, they will lose the opportunity to work in Russia.

 

The first obvious targets are Voice of America, Radio Freedom, and similar propagandist trash...

 

GOOD!!!



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Russia Calls Worsening Ties with US a Major Disappointment

 

https://www.courthou...disappointment/

 

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MOSCOW (AP) — The spokesman for President Vladimir Putin says the Kremlin views deteriorating relations with the United States as a major disappointment of the year.

 

Ties between Moscow and Washington soured to reach a post-Cold War low following Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014 and allegations of election meddling in 2016. The two countries have been introducing tit-for-tat measures all year ranging from restrictions on embassy staff to legislation targeting state-owned media.

 

Asked about the Kremlin’s biggest disappointments of 2017, Dmitry Peskov told reporters that worsening ties with the U.S. are “certainly” on the list.

 

Peskov reiterated the Kremlin’s position that Russia seeks good relations with the U.S. based on “mutual trust and mutual respect” but said “it takes two to tango.”

 

 

Dear Vladimir,

 

Maybe next time you will be careful what you wish for and stay out of being involved in U.S. elections.

 

Sincerely,

 

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Dear Vladimir,

Maybe next time you will be careful what you wish for and stay out of being involved in U.S. elections.

 

May i reply instead of him? Your main (and constantly repeated) mistake is that you're attribute to others your own ideas about what these people think and strive to, and then sincerely wonder how "dumb" they are. In this case, you'll get the right to blame "Dear Vladimir" only when he himself will say: "yes, our support of Trump was a serious mistake". Until then, it just does not make sense.



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Dear Vladimir,

Maybe next time you will be careful what you wish for and stay out of being involved in U.S. elections.

 

May i reply instead of him? Your main (and constantly repeated) mistake is that you're attribute to others your own ideas about what these people think and strive to, and then sincerely wonder how "dumb" they are. In this case, you'll get the right to blame "Dear Vladimir" only when he himself will say: "yes, our support of Trump was a serious mistake". Until then, it just does not make sense.

 

I cannot read Vladmir's mind.  However, his actions are more than transparent.

 

Moreover, he helps tip the election results, and then complains about the new administration. He should learn to take responsibility for his actions - or is there no such word in Russian?


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I cannot read Vladmir's mind.  However, his actions are more than transparent.

 

Serious mistake.

 

Moreover, he helps tip the election results...

 

Being repeated 1.000.000 times, this doesn't becoming more convincing.

 

...and then complains about the new administration.

 

All the "complains" i've ever read in our media were about globalist wing of US elite blocking the Trump's course and working to erode his power. Moreover, this permanent "Russian meddling" hysteria serves the same goal and forcing Trump to be hostile towards Russia. Unpleasant, of course, but this is not Trump who is our real enemy.



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Being repeated 1.000.000 times, this doesn't becoming more convincing.

 

Not if you are in denial.

 

 

 

All the "complains" i've ever read in our media were about globalist wing of US elite blocking the Trump's course and working to erode his power. Moreover, this permanent "Russian meddling" hysteria serves the same goal and forcing Trump to be hostile towards Russia. Unpleasant, of course, but this is not Trump who is our real enemy.

 

Form the world's number one kleptocrat (Putin - not you) - give me a break.


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Just by coincidence, I came upon this article while waiting for rebuttal:

 

A Proxy for the Kremlin: The Russian Orthodox Church

 

http://www.worldaffa...orthodox-church

 

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(World Affairs) In late October the head of the Russian Orthodox Church traveled to Romania for the first time since 1962. Although Patriarch Kirill technically came to attend a theological event in Bucharest, the political implications of his appearance are impossible to miss. The visit was part of the Kremlin’s long-term strategy to deploy the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) as a soft power tool to exploit divisions, win friends and expand Russia’s influence in a region which shares the same Christian Orthodox faith. This is especially relevant in Romania where public perception of Russia is deeply negative.

 

The Russian Orthodox Church is particularly eager to influence public opinion by solidifying existing relations and making new friends for the Kremlin in Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece, and Romania, where the Christian Orthodox faith is popular. Upon his arrival in Bucharest, Kirill wasted no time launching his charm offensive by reminding Romanians that "Romanians and Russians worship the same saints and share the same values"—a message that is closely aligned with the Kremlin’s ideological offensive to create frictions between the Orthodox and socially conservative Balkan countries and the West. It’s worth noting that according to Soviet archives, Kirill spent his earlier years as a KGB agent (code name “Mikhaylov”) as did his predecessor, Patriarch Alexei II. In more recent years, since becoming patriarch in 2009, Kirill speaks of the Putin era as “a miracle of God.”

 

Kirill’s momentous trip to Romania was only the most recent effort by the Kremlin-ROC axis to soothe longstanding resentments, and it appears the Kremlin’s soft power strategy is working. On Sunday Patriarch Daniel of the Romanian Orthodox Church traveled to Moscow to participate in the celebration of the 100th anniversary of the restoration of the Patriarchate of the Russian Church.

 

The soft power concept, a term coined by Joseph Nye in the late 1980s, describes how countries in the modern era often seek to achieve foreign policy goals through persuasion rather than exerting more traditional methods of military or economic coercion. For the Kremlin, the Russian Orthodox Church is just such a tool: a normative powerhouse wielded to change attitudes and ultimately reshape the post-communist European geopolitical framework to Russia’s advantage. 


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Here is another story with which Trumpians (and Putinists) can practice their art of denial. So, the Washington Post, New York Times, and Los Angeles Times are all publishing fake news.  

 

Meanwhile, Putin, who has everything to gain by lying, is believed.  This, from a quarter that prides itself on realpolitik.  The ironies here are incredible.


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I hate how Russian culture says abortions are okay but being gay isn't.

 

They are on the wrong side of history and heroes in the USA like John McCain will live forever as examples of how tyranny and despotism like Putin's should be confronted.

 

I would rather die than live under a Russian government. Stars and stripes forever.


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