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And you know what? Each shipping container farm will have the yield of two freaking acres of conventional farmland. Once again, I fail to see how anyone can be a futurist and not a cornucopian.

It's very easy to be a futurist and a cornucopian. It's much harder justifying why we should have infinitely more mouths to take from that cornucopia.
Never fear. In the developed economies child birth rate drops to one child per woman with greater educational opportunities and economic opportunities. For the most part you will will see this trend continue into the future. It's Africa and India that we have to worry about

 

I am also sad that Africa and India will leave Western civilization in the dust and go on to conquer the stars, but with a proper pro-humanity and pro-advancement mindset, we can join them.

 

They won't conquer the stars. The cold fact is that their societies are ticking time bombs, likely to suffer sweeping collapse and break-up within 50 years. If not that, then certainly a rising trend of authoritarianism to whip them into shape.

Democracy only works with smaller populations. This is something China understands and India will soon learn themselves.

 

With a youthful and growing populace, they are sure to take the lead. Civilizations that stop growing advancing die. Japan is a dying nation. Koreans will not exist in a few centuries if demographic trends continue. Germany, too, will either die or be remade by the vast influx of Arab immigrants.

 

Do we want to go this route?


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All nations, empires, etc die. Entropy is the great equalizer

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All nations, empires, etc die. Entropy is the great equalizer

Entropy is the physical sense is not what makes nations and empires die. Unless these nations and empires died because their tools rusted or their buildings crumbled then entropy is hardly what brought them down. Unless of course you don't speak of entropy in the physical sense. 


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What I really want to see is a vertical farm that can produce staple crops like wheat, not just fancy leafy greens. I've seen some suggestions floating around that we use dwarf versions of such crops, and the math is pretty promising--a 30-story 2 hectare building could produce as much as a 1000-hectare field. But why hasn't anyone done it yet?

​I'm curious about this too, every vertical farm I have seen reported on seems to produce leafy greens and not much else. 

 

Does anyone know of any farms which have produced any more interesting crops? Or ones that have tried and failed? I'm curious to see if they are refusing to engage with major crops to avoid stepping on the toes of powerful agricultural lobbies or if there is some underlying reason it won't work. 


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^^^Just speculating, but I wonder if the relative size of root systems have anything to do with it.   A more extensive root system needing more soil, thus making vertical farming less attractive financially.

 

Like I say, I am just speculating as I have not read any literature that bears directly on the topic of root size in vertical farming. 

 

I tried to Google for an answer and did not come up with anything directly related to root system size.  However, I did find a lot regarding heavier use of hydroponics, which explains why some crops are more suitable than others.  I also found this:

 

https://www.cnbc.com...d-and-tech.html

 

(CNBC) The approach works best for salad greens and herbs, which have higher margins than other produce and can be grown in larger quantities than other vegetables that require more space and longer grow cycles.


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What I really want to see is a vertical farm that can produce staple crops like wheat, not just fancy leafy greens. I've seen some suggestions floating around that we use dwarf versions of such crops, and the math is pretty promising--a 30-story 2 hectare building could produce as much as a 1000-hectare field. But why hasn't anyone done it yet?

​I'm curious about this too, every vertical farm I have seen reported on seems to produce leafy greens and not much else. 

 

Does anyone know of any farms which have produced any more interesting crops? Or ones that have tried and failed? I'm curious to see if they are refusing to engage with major crops to avoid stepping on the toes of powerful agricultural lobbies or if there is some underlying reason it won't work. 

 

NASA has grown dwarf wheat in space with hydroponics, so we could probably do the same on the ground:

 

 

Despommier suggests that, if dwarf versions of certain crops are used (e.g. dwarf wheat, which has been grown in space by NASA, is smaller in size but richer in nutrients), year-round crops, and "stacker" plant holders are accounted for, a 30-story building with a base of a building block (2 hectares (5 acres)) would yield a yearly crop analogous to that of 1,000 hectares (2,400 acres) of traditional farming.

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One thing i thought of was freshness. Maybe a big part of the appeal is the ability to grow your vegetables next door to the restaurant or point of sale. so for things like cereals where they're easily stored and often processed into flour etc. then one of the big benefits is irrelevant.

 

Still the tech to do all this was developed by people growing drugs, (vey high margins!) so in turn the guys growing fresh greens will be laying down the framework and bringing down the costs, till eventually we will see a wider variety of crops becoming competitive. 

 

I want to see what happens when someone builds a vertical farm vineyard, and they have control over every aspect of the winemaking process, soil, water light levels etc. surely that wine could be better than any grown naturally. 

 

long term investment though takes years to get grape vines to the right point. 


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Move Over, Skyscrapers. This “Plantscraper” Can Feed 5,000 a Year.

 

In Brief As populations grow and cities condense, availability of fresh produce becomes an increasingly dire issue. The concept of "plantscapers" could allow office buildings to feed thousands of people every year.

 

First actual skyscraper for vertical farming.


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One thing i thought of was freshness. Maybe a big part of the appeal is the ability to grow your vegetables next door to the restaurant or point of sale. so for things like cereals where they're easily stored and often processed into flour etc. then one of the big benefits is irrelevant.

 

Still the tech to do all this was developed by people growing drugs, (vey high margins!) so in turn the guys growing fresh greens will be laying down the framework and bringing down the costs, till eventually we will see a wider variety of crops becoming competitive. 

 

I want to see what happens when someone builds a vertical farm vineyard, and they have control over every aspect of the winemaking process, soil, water light levels etc. surely that wine could be better than any grown naturally. 

 

long term investment though takes years to get grape vines to the right point. 

Well at the very least there's a proposal to grow rice in vertical farms.

 

Aeroponic Vertical Farm: High-Yield Terraced Rice Paddies for the Philippines

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