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Some dashcam have registered the brief flash over the Black Sea:

 

 

...and if this will be confirmed, then this is the 100% terrorist act. I can only hope we'll find those who did this, no matter are they from USA or ISIS, and they'll severely regret.


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I doubt it's the USA or ISIS; I bet it's an agent from one of those "moderate rebels" in Syria seeking revenge for Aleppo.


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I doubt it's the USA or ISIS; I bet it's an agent from one of those "moderate rebels" in Syria seeking revenge for Aleppo.

 

I, other hand, HIGHLY doubt "moderate rebels" have an established intelligence network in Sochi, or able to destroy the well-protected and well-served military aircraft in foreign country. This is a difficult task, a task for real professionals.

 

Of course, I don't know for sure (and, most likely, will never know) but i'd bet 90% on USA and only 10% on others.


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I doubt it's the USA or ISIS; I bet it's an agent from one of those "moderate rebels" in Syria seeking revenge for Aleppo.

 

I, other hand, HIGHLY doubt "moderate rebels" have an established intelligence network in Sochi, or able to destroy the well-protected and well-served military aircraft in foreign country. This is a difficult task, a task for real professionals.

 

Of corse, I don't know for sure (and, most likely, will never know) but i'd bet 90% on USA and only 10% on others.

I didn't say they didn't have any help, just that I strongly doubt the CIA would do the dirty work themselves.

 

Remember Afghanistan?


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So uh... this just happened. http://www.nytimes.c...emble.html?_r=0


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Russian Activist, Likely Poisoned Before, Hospitalized Again

 

http://www.cbsnews.c...d-hospitalized/

 

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MOSCOW -- A private foundation says one of its employees, a prominent Russian opposition activist, has been hospitalized after a sudden illness reminiscent of a poisoning he suffered two years earlier.

 

Open Russia, run by exiled Kremlin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky, said in a statement on Thursday that Vladimir Kara-Murza was hospitalized earlier in the day after becoming ill. 

Kara-Murza, a journalist and a close associate of the murdered opposition leader Boris Nemtsov, nearly died when he suffered sudden kidney failure in May 2015.

 

No cause for that illness has been determined but Kara-Murza underwent tests showing he had ingested a poisonous substance. 

 

In light of the fatal poisoning of defector Alexander Litvinenko and the mysterious deaths of other Russian opposition figures, some worried that Kara-Murza could have been deliberately poisoned.


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The Breakthrough: What American Journalists Can Learn From Reporting Under Putin

 

https://www.propubli...ing-under-putin

 

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After the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia slowly relinquished state control on the media and allowed a new industry to flourish.

 

But in recent years, the government has again worked to muzzle the press. Newsrooms have faced intimidation from the Kremlin, and some have been forced to shut down. Elizaveta Osetinskaya was the chief editor of the RBC, a newsroom that emerged at the forefront of Russian independent media while under her leadership. Osetinskaya pushed her reporters to deliver deep investigative dives on government corruption, an editorial path that some Russian journalists described as “suicidal.”

 

Last year, Osetinskaya and two of her colleagues were ousted from the RBC after they published stories on the Panama Papers, tying Putin’s associates to offshore bank accounts.

 

This week on The Breakthrough, Osetinskaya takes us inside the world of Russian investigative journalism, where reporting on corruption can have serious consequences.

 

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Aleksei Navalny, Viable Putin Rival, Is Barred From a Presidential Run

 

 

MOSCOW — A Russian court on Wednesday effectively derailed a presidential run by Aleksei A. Navalny — the only opposition candidate with a broad, enthusiastic popular following — by reviving a four-year-old criminal conviction.

 
The decision by the district court was widely viewed as a move by President Vladimir V. Putin to eliminate his only viable rival in an election scheduled for March 2018.
 
Although Mr. Putin has been coy about his decision to run for a fourth term, there is little question that he will. Some observers had speculated that the president would want a weighty opponent to lend legitimacy to his next victory.
 
The best chance for a competitive race came to a screeching halt on Wednesday, however, when a district court in the small city of Kirov, nearly 500 miles northeast of Moscow, pronounced Mr. Navalny guilty of defrauding a state company. Russian law bars anyone with a criminal conviction from seeking elected office.

 

Well, at least nobody slipped some polonium into his tea.

 

https://www.nytimes....alny-putin.html


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Viable Putin Rival...  :biggrin:

 

Actually, he belong to political movement which got 2-3% in last duma elections. And this is not due to "wrong counting" and "stealing of votes" as they always complain. No, such is their real rating. I mean their combined rating, since our "liberal opposition" is also divided into bunch of tiny "political parties" completely unknown to average voter but constantly squabbling and intriguing against each other.

 

I just fail to imagine what should happen to really make him viable Putin rival.


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Viable Putin Rival...  :biggrin:

 

Actually, he belong to political movement which got 2-3% in last duma elections. And this is not due to "wrong counting" and "stealing of votes" as they always complain. No, such is their real rating. I mean their combined rating, since our "liberal opposition" is also divided into bunch of tiny "political parties" completely unknown to average voter but constantly squabbling and intriguing against each other.

 

I just fail to imagine what should happen to really make him viable Putin rival.

 

 

I thought his "Progress Party" wasn't allowed to run in the 2016 Duma elections? Or are you talking about Yabloko?


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I thought his "Progress Party" wasn't allowed to run in the 2016 Duma elections? Or are you talking about Yabloko?

 

To be honest, i know about Navalny but didn't ever hear about his "Progress Party" (so i had to ask wikipedia). By 2-3% i meant ALL these tiny parties and movements positioning themselves as "liberal opposition".

 

As for his party "wasn't allowed", this is quite logical: to run in current Duma elections, party should have at least 3% votes gained in previous campaign or at least one deputee in one of regional parliaments. Otherwise they have to collect signatures and this is much more difficult way... thus, tens of tiny parties are filtered out & this "Progress Party" was one of them. Of course, he may (and do) insist this happened because "Regime is afraid of me!", but i don't think so.

 

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Summary: the real situation in Russia & the moods and preferences of Russian people are "a bit" different from opinion of New York Times.


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How's the National Bolshevik Party doing?


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How's the National Bolshevik Party doing?

 

I'm afraid, not any better than "Progress Party" of Navalny. :) Other words, they're still continue to exist, but as a tiny club of bohemian leftists and rightwingers with no connection to common people. As result, both workers and nationalists overwhelmingly vote for Putin and his "United Russia".

 

Such is reality, whether you like it or: Putin is indeed a popular leader and there are NO any serious rivals to him in modern Russia. In fact, this is an unhealthy situation: he's neither young nor becomes younger. In 2024 he'll resign (this time for real, not formal) & there should already be another "national leader" by this time.


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I'll leave it here, just for information:

 

Love to Stalin among Russians reached a historic 16-years-maximum

 

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First graph: your realition to... Lenin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin.

Second graph: your realition to Stalin.

Colors: dark green - admiration, green - respect, light green - sympathy, gray - indifference, red - dislike, light red - fear, dark red - disgust and hate, blue - no opinion.

 

As you can see, Putin is the most loved person: 14% admire him, and almost nobody hate or despise. These are, of course, a bit artificial results, this "love" will not last long after his future resignation.

 

Other hand, mass rejection of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, as well as growing simpathy to comrade Stalin can not be results of propaganda, these are real people's feelings.

 

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They didn't asked me, but if they did, the answer would be:

 

Lenin - respect

Stalin - respect

Khrushchev - indifference

Brezhnev - dislike

Andropov - respect

Gorbachev - disgust and hate

Yeltsin - disgust and hate

Putin - respect


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Out of all these guys that you respect, can you explain why? all I see is a heap of shit list which lead what should have been a GREAT country to a backward country which only gets by these days with oil, no better than the middle east.

The worst performer of the last 100 years. Having spent the last century concentrating on losing a geopolitical/economical/psycological war to USA the whole time. Wasted a whole century on it.

Stalin that idiot sold out to Hitler. How did that go for you?

Backstabbed and 20 million Russian casualties.
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Out of all these guys that you respect, can you explain why? all I see is a heap of shit list which lead what should have been a GREAT country to a backward country which only gets by these days with oil, no better than the middle east.

The worst performer of the last 100 years. Having spent the last century concentrating on losing a geopolitical/economical/psycological war to USA the whole time. Wasted a whole century on it.

 

To explain, i'd have to write an essay about each of them. And judging by your vision of Russian history, it would be a waste of time. So, no... maybe next time.


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I can't wait for this next time.
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I can't wait for this next time.

 

Really? But i already said, it will be just a waste of time. You have your own established views... this is wonderful! I know they're terribly wrong and distorted, but i also know i can not change them no matter how hard i will try. And vice versa. Therefore, let's just leave it as it is.


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1- Oh, so the Nazbols are nowhere near power? Fantastic.

 

They didn't asked me, but if they did, the answer would be:

 

Lenin - respect

Stalin - respect

Khrushchev - indifference

Brezhnev - dislike

Andropov - respect

Gorbachev - disgust and hate

Yeltsin - disgust and hate

Putin - respect

 

You missed one leader. Or, more accurately, they missed one leader. And I'm not talking about Medvedev.


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You missed one leader. Or, more accurately, they missed one leader. And I'm not talking about Medvedev.

 

Who?


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