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The size and specs of this rocket system are just insane. 42 Raptor engines on the booster and 9 on the spacecraft. 

 

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What also excited me was that it is not just about Mars. It's not called the "Mars transport system", but the "Interplanetary transport system". Eventually it could be used to setup bases on Europa, Enceladus and Titan etc. 

 

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So according to the vague timeline we might see the first ITS (Interplanetary Transport System) ship tests in 2018 and booster tests in 2019 with orbital testing starting in 2020. This would lead to the first Mars flights using the ITS at the end of 2022. In the meantime there will still be the Red Dragon missions (using the Falcon Heavy rockets) sending stuff to mars every two years starting from 2018. This timeline is obviously likely to be very optimistic, but even so it is very exciting.


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The thing that really excited me was the cost per colonist. Musk said that we may be looking at less than or equal to 100k per colonist to get to Mars. With the other companies, governments, and collectives that are bound to compete if this sucessful. The price should go down even further. Gentlemen, I think my home circa the 2030's could be Mars. This isn't even Sci Fi or wishful thinking anymore. These are passenger ships for colonists, not astronauts. I think I could manage a few 100k by the 2030's, now the next question is will they even use money on Mars, and what government or lack thereof will the Martians have?

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The thing that really excited me was the cost per colonist. Musk said that we may be looking at less than or equal to 100k per colonist to get to Mars. With the other companies, governments, and collectives that are bound to compete if this sucessful. The price should go down even further. Gentlemen, I think my home circa the 2030's could be Mars. This isn't even Sci Fi or wishful thinking anymore. These are passenger ships for colonists, not astronauts. I think I could manage a few 100k by the 2030's, now the next question is will they even use money on Mars, and what government or lack thereof will the Martians have?

Same. I believe that if I am successful in life and this gets off the ground, I will have to at least seriously consider making the journey in the 2040s.


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I wonder if the "$200,000" ticket price includes food, air, water and shelter... forever after?



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I wonder if the "$200,000" ticket price includes food, air, water and shelter... forever after?

Of course not. Mars is no place for moochers and parasites so you will have to earn your keep.


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I'll wait before going to Mars. I want to go to Luna first.

 

 

I wonder if the "$200,000" ticket price includes food, air, water and shelter... forever after?

Of course not. Mars is no place for moochers and parasites so you will have to earn your keep.

Which is why I'll bring my droids with me to earn that keep.

I'm not even going to leave Earth if I can't bring droids, for that matter. I'm sure that would be most people's perspective as well.


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I'll wait before going to Mars. I want to go to Luna first.

 

 

I wonder if the "$200,000" ticket price includes food, air, water and shelter... forever after?

Of course not. Mars is no place for moochers and parasites so you will have to earn your keep.

Which is why I'll bring my droids with me to earn that keep.

I'm not even going to leave Earth if I can't bring droids, for that matter. I'm sure that would be most people's perspective as well.

I would relish the chance at living a decent and honorable life as Earth descends into a socialist hell-hole.  Perhaps once on Mars, I could 3D print myself a high-tech space tent, hop on a rover, and disappear.


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I do wonder, though... In the case I did decide to eschew droids and get my hands dirty, what would I need in order to survive the harsher aspects of the Martian climate?

What kind of space suit, I mean; what kind of tools; what kind of protection. As of right now, the furthest we've dug into the Martian soil is a few inches. Who knows what's actually under there.

For example, I know that the temperature there can sometimes get high enough so that you could walk around without a space suit. In fact, I believe that, during the warm months during the day, the temperature reaches around 70°F? You could definitely go out unprotected for very short periods of time. And I do mean short. The atmosphere's still too thin to breathe, and the water in your body will begin to boil, but you could probably make it for a solid minute or two. However, you're not going to burst into flames because of the UV radiation or anything. Thus, you might actually need less protection than most think. Just something to keep the pressure from vaporizing your body's water, and an oxygen pack. 


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I wonder if the "$200,000" ticket price includes food, air, water and shelter... forever after?

Of course not. Mars is no place for moochers and parasites so you will have to earn your keep.

Actually as it will most likely be the idle rich (those shelling out 500k will not be working at a factory or in construction) who go first i think food, air, water, and shelter will be available provided by companies which ship out either robots or people to construct them in order to sell them at a premium to the rich folk.

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I wonder if the "$200,000" ticket price includes food, air, water and shelter... forever after?

Of course not. Mars is no place for moochers and parasites so you will have to earn your keep.

Actually as it will most likely be the idle rich (those shelling out 500k will not be working at a factory or in construction) who go first i think food, air, water, and shelter will be available provided by companies which ship out either robots or people to construct them in order to sell them at a premium to the rich folk.

 

The cost is about $200k. I imagine the expectation would be that these people would be leaving their lives on Earth and starting anew, so it would be within the reach of the middle/upper middle class.


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200k is what it will hopefully be not what it will be. It could be 50 or 100 thousand more. Either way even at 200 thousand one would surely not want to go to a new country by paying 1000 dollar plane ticket and arrive at a foreign country with no money. Similarly one will not want to arrive there by paying a 200 thousand dollar rocket ticket and arrive penniless.  I don't think shelling out 500k (in the beginning) is a bad estimate for what people will probably spend all things accounted for. 

 

This will be, at least in the beginning, strictly the domain of the upper middle class/rich and in the case of the upper middle class it will be older people not 20-29 year old adults and probably few 30 year old people. A lot of these older people have family and that will discourage some of them from leaving. A lot of these older people are well off and well... older so their enthusiasm for going to a completely different planet will be small compared to the oppressed majority who want to start anew.  

 

There will be interest but it will simply not be accessible at the beginning except to a few adventurous rich people.  These rich people will almost certainly not want to trade in a life of luxury for one of grueling labor (not that they won't have to work or that they won't be prepared to work but ultimately they have the means not to)  and thus i can confidently draw the conclusion that corporations will see the opportunity to provide essential commodities to these rich people for a premium. I would hope that by then it would be through the exploitation of robots and not human workers. I am fairly confident that 3d printing and robots will play a major roll as the exportation of human labor would simply be too costly and  so i am somewhat appeased. 


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The first settlement on Mars will be the Jamestown of our time.

 

It'd be awesome if we named this settlement as New Jamestown but I suspect many will be more interested in naming it Musk City.

 

Musk City... it sounds memorable and honestly, Elon Musk deserves to have something named after him. This should be it.


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Straight up sci fi(In a damn good way). There is no more proof needed that we are living in a truly transformative era. Remember that they already testfired the Raptor engine so this is already happening.

 

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The first settlement on Mars will be the Jamestown of our time.

 

It'd be awesome if we named this settlement as New Jamestown but I suspect many will be more interested in naming it Musk City.

 

Musk City... it sounds memorable and honestly, Elon Musk deserves to have something named after him. This should be it.

Will it be the Jamestown, or will it be the Roanoke?


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Very exciting update my fellow futurists.

 

So the plan is to slowly replace the falcon series with the BFR (I'm guessing it stands for Big Fucking Rocket) and use this for everything at a lower cost - satellite launches, Mars and Moon missions. Plus even fast travel to almost anywhere in the world in under an hour and perhaps to scoop up old satellites and space debris in orbit.

 

Elon's aspiring to have the first cargo mission to Mars in 2022 and manned mission in 2024.


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^I'm definitely going to watch it this weekend.


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The BFR is so exciting for almost everything to do with space and not just interplanetary missions.

 

For one, the sheer enormous size of the payload space means you could deploy HUGE satellites and massive amounts of cargo loads, just look at how small it makes the ISS look:

 

 

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With a diameter of 9m you can put giant telescopes into orbit without complicated folding. One of the reasons why the James Webb Telescope is so expensive and complicated to build is because it has to fold the mirrors in order to fit inside the capsule. The James Webb telescope has a diameter of 6.5m, so using the BFR you could launch even larger telescopes without any unfolding required. This is going make these enormously cheaper.

 

 

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Elon also talked about how the sheer size of the spacecraft means it could scoop up old satellites and space debris - a problem that may need to be tackled in the future. 

 

It can also be used to transport people throughout the world in less than an hour and most journeys would be less than 30 minutes.

 


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^ Don't forget about the moon base!!!

 

 

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Actually, if the BFR goes as scheduled, we'll able to launch a sizeable moon base rather quickly at a much shorter time frame than anticipated. The European Space Agency is talking about setting up a moon base in collaboration with the Chinese. This rocket may be the very means to achieve this very aim at a much lower cost they predicted which then should make them be more ambitious of what they want out of the moon base.

 

It's as if Elon Musk was born as a compensating mechanism to help us quickly recapture all those decades of lackluster space development.


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It can also be used to transport people throughout the world in less than an hour and most journeys would be less than 30 minutes.

Holy shit...

 

...how many years' wages would that be for the average person though?


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