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I've never understood this acronym SJW and what it is meant to stand for (other than the obvious Social Justice Warrior). Social justice as far as i am aware of is something worth fighting for.

 

Yes, social justice is worth fighting for. The only problem, i'm afraid, our understanding of social justice is very different. Meanwhile, when we're busy arguing online, some Black "social justice warriors" already doing it on the streets:

 

https://twitter.com/...087604101541889

 

In Russian (i'm a bit lazy to search for original). The text part is "Peaceful and educated young Democrats explains their political position to Trump supporter".

 

PS yes, i'm agree that US prison-industrial complex is a modern analogue of slavery. But frankly, as Yuli Ban said, i wouldn't shed a single tear if those "peaceful and educated young Democrats" became the modern slaves till the end of their days or were executed by firing squad.


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Media Said If Elected, Clinton Should Include Republicans In Her Cabinet. Will They Hold Trump To That Standard?

 

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/11/10/media-said-if-elected-clinton-should-include-republicans-her-cabinet-will-they-hold-trump-standard/214404

 

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Media Figures Argued That If Clinton Were Elected, She Should Appoint Republicans To Top Positions: Wash. Post’s Jennifer Rubin: If Clinton Is Elected, She Should Appoint “Republicans And Independents To Prominent … Cabinet And White House Jobs.” Conservative Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin wrote in October that a President Clinton “would be wise to style hers as a national unity government” and appoint “Republicans and independents to prominent -- not token -- Cabinet and White House jobs”:

In other words, she is still making a concerted effort to reach out to Republicans rather than tie the entire GOP to Trump. That might be seen as a selfish attempt to run up the score, maybe swing red states her way. But she also sounds like someone very much aware that she’s going to have to pick up the pieces and govern for the next four years. Barring a filibuster-proof Senate, she is going to need some cooperation from Republicans.

She would be wise to continue that beyond Election Day. That means a unifying inaugural speech. It means appointment of Republicans and independents to prominent -- not token -- Cabinet and White House jobs. She would be wise to style hers as a national unity government and begin outreach and agenda-planning with congressional leaders sooner rather than later. With much of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" vanquished and humiliated, she may have the opportunity to forge some meaningful alliances. [The Washington Post, 10/13/16]


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Let's not even joke: he won't. 

 

There's this delusion that Trump is a deep-cover progressive. He was liberal most of his life, so he must still be a liberal now. He just pulled a Bernie and went Repub to win the election, right?

 

This whole election should have been a wake-up call to such foolishness. Face it! He's not going to pursue Uptown Liberal policies. If he did, why did he choose Mike Pence as a VP? Why is he considering Sarah Palin and Rudy Giuliani for his cabinet? Why is he planning on putting a climate skeptic in charge of the EPA? Why is he planning on gutting the FDA? Why is he saying he'll pack SCOTUS with Scalias?

 

Sure, he's just doing all that to appease his base. Right?

 

Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that. And I know these types will keep telling themselves that. Just look at Trump's victory. Who are they blaming for it? Everyone and everything under the sun, except themselves. It's all the fault of angry white working men! It's all the fault of Uncle Toms! It's all the fault of racism, sexism, misogyny, xenophobia...!

 

Never mind that Clinton was smiling when she told coal workers she'd put them out of a job. Same working class voters who swept Trump into the White House. Regardless of whether coal is going to screw our planet over or not, you don't tell workers you're going to put them out of a job. Especially when you offer no alternative. We know there's an alternative, but Clinton sure as hell wasn't saying what it was. And then the Dems had the gall to call the TPP a golden standard of trade deals. Everyone, even the far right, wants to fuck that shit away.

 

 

It's hilarious that the Left was actively ignoring the one thing that usually so perfect defines leftism— class conflict. It came back to bite them in the ass, because they treated the working class as disposable pawns. The working class will "obviously" vote Democrat, right? Except the white working class is full of [insert-SJW-buzzword-here], so don't even bother catering to them. Because they're white. Completely forgetting they're also part of the working class. And the Democrats have become the party of snotty, elitist academics who are simply too smart for everyone else.

 

If you took out all the proper nouns and replaced them with things from, say, France in the 1780s or Russia in the 1910s, it would sound like I'm referring to the Democrats as the Aristocrats.

 

It's possibly the biggest irony of the 21st century thus far that the Left has ignored class issues and the Right won because of them.

 

And what is that gonna give us?

 

I'll tell you what it's not— a bipartisan Trump administration. Things are about to get much worse.

 

But Yahtzee Croshaw said it best: should we choose to get it over with now, or to prolong the inevitable? Let's face it— this was going to happen. If not this year, then in 2020.


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The alternative to these words just gave us President Trump, who has enabled a whole demographic of hatemongers on the alt-right. Maybe we can actually learn in time? By 2018? 

Remember what worker solidarity was supposed to be? And on that subject, that also doesn't mean turning away bourgeois and non-workers who want to join the movement. 

We went wrong when the Left fractured into a thousand different identities. They're now trying to create one massive safe-space over along the Pacific seaboard, which would just assure, hands-down, no-holds-barred GOP domination for the next generation. 

 

The Christian Right, the alt-right, the ultra-corporate right, the ones who we've been mocking and hating for years now? If there's one thing I've gotta give to them, it's that they had solidarity. They didn't always agree, but they stuck together and, in the end, they got what they wanted.

 

It's just been soooo pathetic to see these ideals— worker-centric populism, anti-free trade, anti-interventionism, class struggle, and solidarity— totally vanish from the American Left and reappear on the American Right. And I'll keep saying it in these overly long posts.


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^^^So the mainstream media will also probably not ask why Trump does not have Democrats in his cabinet. Can anyone say "double standard".

 

But hey, the main stream media also says he has a mandate to govern.  So why complain?

 

No evidences of bias here folks.  So, just move along and don't ask any questions while the professional Republicans clean up the mess left by all those grouchy class conflict warriors. Also, trust us (in the main stream media) we will tell you what you need to know and think.


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At this point in the game, though, it's probably for the best that they don't. The GOP controls the government, from the top down.

The GOP is not as pussyfooted as the Democrats. The Dems didn't fillibuster for 8 years under Bush, nor did they do so for 12 years under Reagan and Bush Sr. That's all the GOP did for Obama, and they only tolerated Bill because he lurched to the right himself. 

 

The Republicans fall in line. The Democrats fall in love. Republicans always vote; the Democrats will only vote when they feel like it. And when the Democrats have power, they go out of their way to not offend anyone, while the Republicans will gladly hand the country over to Wall Street on live TV.

 

They have their agendas, and they've been bloodthirsty for getting them through. They won't hold themselves to the same, effete standards that crippled the Democrats. When the Democrats had absolute power in 2008, they bungled it up. Now that the Republicans have full power— and I mean absolute power, the likes of which we haven't seen since 1928— they will use it. It's not the same as it was under the Bush's or Reagan, and even a Clinton victory couldn't have helped her in that regard since the Democrats totally forgot about assisting the down-ticket candidates. There would have been gridlock that makes the past 8 years look like veritable political diarrhea.

 

CNN? About to become Conservative News Network if they so much as dare go against Trump again. The liberal outlets have already lost all credibility.  MSNBC is truly just another wing of the DNC's Ministry of Truth, so why bother tuning in there? 

 

The Democrats have been disgraced, and their response to being disgraced is to do more disgraceful things (i.e. contemplate running Tim Kaine in 2020, keeping Brazile as the head of the DNC chair, openly warring against the same voters who could have been their allies), so I just don't know what to say there. It's possible people are going to say "Trump shouldn't put Democrats in his cabinet." They're the corrupt party that hates workers so much that they sabotaged a populist champion of the working class, bragged about said sabotage, and they handpicked Donald Trump to run as a Republican because they thought they'd handily defeat him. 

 

What I fear is when the discourse goes "What if the Democrats were wrong about other things too?" Things like...

I bet it'll go there, and the Democrats have no one else to blame but themselves for that one.


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Yes, social justice is worth fighting for. The only problem, i'm afraid, our understanding of social justice is very different. Meanwhile, when we're busy arguing online, some Black "social justice warriors" already doing it on the streets:

 

https://twitter.com/...087604101541889

 

In Russian (i'm a bit lazy to search for original). The text part is "Peaceful and educated young Democrats explains their political position to Trump supporter".

 

Another "peaceful and educated young Democrats":

 

https://twitter.com/...994758837227520

 

A feel deja vu... This more and more reminds me the beginning of Ukrainian maidan: Trump = Yanukowich, "Банду геть!" = "Not Our President!", even California = Crimea. But the continuation and final may be different: after one month of violent protests with few (or few tens?) corpses of "peaceful protesters", the electoral college, "to heal the wounds of divided nation", will be "forced" to vote for Hillary.

 

Btw, i just learned the new English word: crybullies... a very precise word :

 

Spoiler

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That would just start many, many more violent protests. That would literally be the worst possible—

 

What the fuck am I saying. The Dumbocrats have made it clear they're the party of Worst Possible Decisions. I shouldn't be surprised if that's what they do.


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Trump election: Juncker warns Trump presidency may upset US ties with Europe

11 November 2016

 

Donald Trump's election as US president risks upsetting US ties with Europe, EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has warned.

"We will need to teach the president-elect what Europe is and how it works," Mr Juncker told a student audience in Luxembourg.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-37957673


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funny how that worked out.


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funny how that worked out.

For some reason, that doesn't surprise me.

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I think what is more important a take away from this is the "His advisors" part of it. It reminds me how a while back there was a story of him contacting people to find his running mate and essentially doing what a realestate owner does. Find a property manager who will run the property in your name. Trump doesn't want to make the hard choices and do the work, he wants the title and the attention.

 

So what we are really looking at from this point on is Trump being Handled by Advisors toward goals that largely are the interests of an unopposed GOP.


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Trey Gowdy Announces Full Blown Resurrection Of Investigation Now That Elections Are Over… She Is Finished

Hillary Clinton may not be our president, but that doesn’t mean Trey Gowdy plans to let her off the hook for her crimes.
Gowdy was easily reelected to Congress this week, despite the efforts of Democrats’ to give him the boot. With his position secured, he’s focusing his attention on making sure Clinton sees justice.
 
“There is sufficient evidence, both direct and circumstantial, upon which a jury could conclude an intent to violate the law,” Gowdy commented. “This evidence includes concealment of evidence, destruction of evidence, and false exculpatory statements—all of which fall under the general heading of consciousness of guilt.”
“It would appear the investigation is back to the status quo ante, which means Director Comey believes Secretary Clinton was indeed extremely careless in her handling of classified material,” he added.
“Yet, there is insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt Secretary Clinton had a specific intent to violate a statute which specifically provides for the lower sector standard of gross negligence,” Gowdy concluded.
Do you support Gowdy for continuing to hold Clinton responsible for her crimes?


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Yes, social justice is worth fighting for. The only problem, i'm afraid, our understanding of social justice is very different. Meanwhile, when we're busy arguing online, some Black "social justice warriors" already doing it on the streets:
 
https://twitter.com/...087604101541889
 
In Russian (i'm a bit lazy to search for original). The text part is "Peaceful and educated young Democrats explains their political position to Trump supporter".

 
Another "peaceful and educated young Democrats":
 
https://twitter.com/...994758837227520
 
A feel deja vu... This more and more reminds me the beginning of Ukrainian maidan: Trump = Yanukowich, "Банду геть!" = "Not Our President!", even California = Crimea. But the continuation and final may be different: after one month of violent protests with few (or few tens?) corpses of "peaceful protesters", the electoral college, "to heal the wounds of divided nation", will be "forced" to vote for Hillary.
 
Btw, i just learned the new English word: crybullies... a very precise word :
 
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Violence perpetuated by a few is a false representation of any sort of population. Frankly I don't understand what you are attempting to say when you say that "our understanding of social justice is different" as i would tend to agree with the definition a quick Google search procures "justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society." Racial tensions are high and I will not excuse violence from any party but the reality is that race has always been a prominent subject in any United States Election. If you watch that movie I made reference to it will shed some light that the rhetoric espoused in this election is simply a continuation of the rhetoric of decades prior.

Minorities and women are not equal in America today irregardless of the progress that we HAVE made, and there are prejudices deeply ingrained in our society. If the election was clear about one thing it would be that.

Of course as I have mentioned before education, a bad Democratic candidate, the inability to address the issues of the problems of employment and finances that the poor and middle class Americans are facing, and all the other stuff about which a lot of books will be written.

Nevertheless the striving for the equality of all people as people is and will continue to be in my eyes a worthy goal. If that goal is made reference to as social justice then let us know it for what it is and not for the political attack that it has turned into for I imagine that "SJW" is something else entirely and in the heated nature of the political has been obfuscated from the noble goal that is social justice.

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Just a general announcement, keep all Trump news in here so no one gets confused. I won't merge the threads cause there were a lot of different discussions that'll get mixed up. Just please stick to this thread for now.


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http://foreignpolicy...lican-democrat/

 

"Trump’s victory is the victory of the uninformed. But, to be fair, Clinton’s victory would also have been."


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Trump Picks Top Climate Skeptic to Lead EPA Transition

 

https://www.scientif...epa-transition/

 

 

Donald Trump has selected one of the best-known climate skeptics to lead his U.S. EPA transition team, according to two sources close to the campaign.

 
Myron Ebell, director of the  at the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute, is spearheading Trump’s transition plans for EPA, the sources said.
 
The Trump team has also lined up leaders for its Energy Department and Interior Department teams. Republican energy lobbyist Mike McKenna is heading the DOE team; former Interior Department solicitor David Bernhardt is leading the effort for that agency, according to sources close to the campaign.

 

A hint of things to come...Look this guy and his think tank up if you want to spend a few minutes tearing your hair out.


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http://www.ny1.com/n...-days-plan.html

 

it starts out sounding all pretty but as you go through it, the between the lines meanings are a bit terrifying in implication.


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Trump suggests he may be open to keeping parts of Obamacare

 

In particular he thinks that preventing the denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions, and allowing adults to stay on their parents plan until age of 26 are provisions that should be kept. He thinks the rest of the law should still be seriously amended or scrapped. He may be right too, as Obamacare premiums have been skyrocketing of late in many states as the state exchanges are collapsing into monopolies. 

 

http://www.bbc.com/n...s-2016-37953528







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