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What if NASA had the US Military's Budget?

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You'd just need to convince the government that NASA's a branch of the military. And that raises its own league of problems. It doesn't sound like it'd be a big problem under a Republican government, especially one that happens to like NASA like the one incoming. But then you just tie "NASA" to "American Military-Industrial Complex", which the more liberal Democrats and Libertarians will hate, so that when they get into government, they'll want to strip NASA dry.

But if you keep the NASA budget as its own thing, neither party will want to fund it because it'll just be seen as this extraneous agency that we engage in because it's part of our extreme excesses in one case or another.


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Seeing what Asteroids can do to us I don't know why some of it doesn't fall under the military. Asteroids are a much bigger threat then nuclear war but we spend billions defending from that.

 

If we get caught with a mile wide asteroid coming at us within 12-15 months and we have nothing. Who's fault is it for not being ready? It is ours..Our own stupidity.


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              If we had such a budget to use for space we should set up a government charter mining company and work to make it economical and beneficial for the United states. The main goal should be resources, setting up permanent economy which could lead to civilization off planet. Such a budget would allow for this.

 

Sure, we should spend more money on science and telescopes but that is just a small part of the long term goal.


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Interesting...I think we could instead fund this by taking money out of the massive wastes known as the "welfare state" and "socialist healthcare" to make room for such projects.


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If NASA had the budget of the military then they could put a man on Mars within the next 10 years.



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If NASA had the budget of the military then they could put a man on Mars within the next 10 years.

High Elon will do just that with only $10 billion.


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Interesting...I think we could instead fund this by taking money out of the massive wastes known as the "welfare state" and "socialist healthcare" to make room for such projects.

Could we agree that both welfare programs and the military are massively overfunded, and the funds can be put to better use paying off our debt and throwing some bones to education with the whole student loan thing. By throw bones to education I mean funding universities under the condition that they lower tuition drastically, hire some more bloody professors and rebuild dead departments? My school used to have a drama, music, theology, astronomy and literature department. They are all gone because funding has been siphoned from education budgets since the 70's, and the Ivy League tends grab what's left.


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Is there any excuse at all excluding asteroid defense from the military?


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Imagine if NASA had the US's national debt worth of funding...

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With that kind of funding, NASA will basically be the world's space agency, you know.

 

Makes kind of sense if you stop to think about it... the world calls USA the world police given our gargantuan military budget, so why not call us the world's space agency if NASA had that kind of budget.


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China's military budget and a litany of other nation's military budgets got upgraded recently so i doubt the United States will be letting the pedal off the metal anytime soon. The United States deficit however may or rather should prompt the United States to cut down on military expenditure. Of course the excess of 800 military bases is pretty much the only indicator that you need for imperial overreach and is part of why the United States is spending so much money on a yearly basis. 

 

Nasa's budget is paltry but considering the economic growth of other nations like the aforementioned China then I expect we will see more scientific projects than ever. India's recent excursions to Mars and China's very large telescope speak very kindly to my soul. 


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Could we agree that both welfare programs and the military are massively overfunded,

One thing that would help is if our allies paid for our defense of them, as President-elect Trump has suggested. If that doesn't work, then yeah, I would strongly support closing most of our overseas bases and dropping the budget to the $400-500 billion range. Less taxes for everyone. That said, I do think it's important that we have the strongest military in the world to protect our nation's security. But we don't have to be stronger than every other nation combined!

 

 

and the funds can be put to better use paying off our debt and throwing some bones to education with the whole student loan thing.
I don't know about you, but it strikes me as grossly dishonest and unfair to borrow money and then not pay it back. Even if some government says it's okay. I say this as someone who has taken out a student loan.
 

 

By throw bones to education I mean funding universities under the condition that they lower tuition drastically, hire some more bloody professors and rebuild dead departments? My school used to have a drama, music, theology, astronomy and literature department. They are all gone because funding has been siphoned from education budgets since the 70's, and the Ivy League tends grab what's left.

I actually think we should largely privatize higher education. Certainly quality is no issue; the top institutions in the country are already private.


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I don't know about you, but it strikes me as grossly dishonest and unfair to borrow money and then not pay it back. Even if some government says it's okay. I say this as someone who has taken out a student loan.
 

 

I actually think we should largely privatize higher education. Certainly quality is no issue; the top institutions in the country are already private.

 

My bad, I meant national debt not personal debt. We have a huge deficit right now that needs to be taken care of.

There is a place for private institutions I agree, however no one can deny that tution has gone up astronomically since the 70's. Tution rate hikes have consistently beaten inflation every year since 1970 and the current prices are inflated and unreasonable. Yet, we have to pay them because without higher education it is much harder to compete in the current economy. I am not saying that the government should pay our student loans. I am saying that grant money and funding for universities in general should only get approved with the condition that the university lower their rates and actually care about their departments. In turn we can grant them more funding. My main gripe is with how much "non profit" universities are charging. For example the university of Pittsburgh's tution rate for an in state student is roughly 33K. I can't afford that and I'm the guy running around investing in stocks all the time. On the other hand if it's a for profit institution I don't really care, it makes sense for them to charge astronomical rates. Normally I'd advocate that the free market handle the situation but that reasoning does not apply to anything considered a need. Education is a need and people will fight tooth and nail to get it regardless of how unreasonble the prices are.

I would prefer free public education but it is important that I am willing to compromise. Because arguing for socialist policies is going to lead to phlibusting and impasses when we have diversity in our countries political beliefs. I'm trying to find centrist solutions so that we can all agree on. This whole attitude of shaming people doesin't work and I've seen it happen towards your stances on this forum before. In fact I think I've been guilty of it myself at some point, can't recall for sure but I think I made a very rude comment to you when I first joined the forum.
 

 

Source on unreasonable tution increase. https://trends.colle...-selected-years


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