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Hi all. Like many people on this website I am a transhumanist. I actually found this website through https://hpluspedia.o...scussion_forums . 

 

I have a mission to achieve, and I don't know anyone who has the capability and know-how on doing this. My friend Daniel and I want to start a new religion based on the tenets of transhumanism. 

 

My friend Dan and I, who have known each other for quite a while, is looking for someone to complete our religious journey.

 

See, Dan is good at ethics. He has a philosophy of Right Reason, which primarily deals with ethical concerns. His philosophy briefly touches base on beliefs, but as a whole Right Reason is a philosophy on ethics.

 

I, on the other hand, am good on beliefs. My own philosophy of Exaltism deals with some key components to transhumanism. I've tried to develop ethics and rituals around this philosophy, but I've failed to capture the same feel I’ve developed for the beliefs.

 

Together Dan and I have a belief-and-ethical philosophy that deals with the concerns of concepts like the Omega Point, my concept of Divine Selection, and the ethics of divinity. I think it is safe to say that Dan and I are both transhumanists, and see people like Martine Rothblatt, Ray Kurzweil, Aubrey DeGray, Zoltan Istvan, Teilhard and Max More as honored inspirations for our cause.

 

There is just one thing that is lacking from our cause. A system of well-balanced and focused rituals that can be performed by followers. Both Dan and I lack experience in this field. We need a third person, who is also inspired to do the same as us, so we can develop a larger whole that would be this religion.

 

This religion doesn't have a name yet. We aren't going to call it Right Reason or Exaltism. In fact, the religion will not have any name until our third person fills this whole, this gap that is our faith. If you are inspired by humanity, by transhumanism, by the guiding light that is in all of us and see it to live an ethical and moral life - AND - can guide us towards responsible ritualistic practices, we'd be glad to take you in. Both Dan and I see this as a goal of many people, not a few.

 

So, what do you say?



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Yuli Ban might take an interest in your... cult. However, please refrain from grabbing for more followers on this website as preaching (literally preaching) any religion here is usually looked down upon and will probably result in unwanted arguments, ridicule, and/or banishment. 

 

That said, I wish you both good bidding on your movement.


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I always love seeing the more fringe folks FTN attracts. Welcome to the forum, and despite what AWR is saying up there, all religions started as "cults" at first. As long as you guys don't start a cult of personality, demand peoples money if they join, isolate them from family and friends then guilting them into never leaving a desert compound I don't have an issue. :)

 

For example, the church of Satan is fringe as all hell but they're not a cult, at least the Laveyan branch isn't.


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Oh a transhumanist religion, that's a new idea. I don't think I'm the right person for the job, but good luck anyway! :)

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I always love seeing the more fringe folks FTN attracts. Welcome to the forum, and despite what AWR is saying up there, all religions started as "cults" at first. As long as you guys don't start a cult of personality, demand peoples money if they join, isolate them from family and friends then guilting them into never leaving a desert compound I don't have an issue. :)
 
For example, the church of Satan is fringe as all hell but they're not a cult, at least the Laveyan branch isn't.

I don't think you took my meaning. I meant to not force others to join out of fear of eternal torture.

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I always love seeing the more fringe folks FTN attracts. Welcome to the forum, and despite what AWR is saying up there, all religions started as "cults" at first. As long as you guys don't start a cult of personality, demand peoples money if they join, isolate them from family and friends then guilting them into never leaving a desert compound I don't have an issue. :)

 

For example, the church of Satan is fringe as all hell but they're not a cult, at least the Laveyan branch isn't.

I wonder how many religions throughout history have been created, only to be forgotten when their prophet died, having never managed to attract very many people.


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I wonder how many religions throughout history have been created, only to be forgotten when their prophet died, having never managed to attract very many people.

 

Probably 99.9% of them. Some of the ones that have really lasted and grown popular are pretty stupid so survival of a religion is clearly nothing to do with it making sense or being internally consistent or having a moral message that fits with the beliefs large numbers of people. 

 

I think the key things for long term survival of a religion are:

Encouragement to it's followers to spread it to others,

Encouragement to blindly follow the religion in the face of any evidence or alternate teachings

Encouragement to followers to disapprove of/work against other religions and especially anyone preaching other religions.. 

 

So if you include those things it may last long term, it will also inevitably become more and more traditionalist, reactionary and anti-science over time as the world moves on but your doctrine stays the same. 


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Thanks to everybody that posted.

 

As far as trying to get more followers, I already have a plan for that. It doesn't involved this website. 

 

This church will be completely non-profit. As my friend and I are disabled, getting any kind of income would hurt our disability status. If one of us, or both of us write a book it will be free to view, and all the money we get from the physical copies would be streamlined into transhumanist charities. There will be no membership fees, and people can come and go as they see fit. We aren't forcing anyone to join our cult/religion/philosophy or whatever else you want to call it.

 

I think it is an idea until you hit 100 followers, and then it is a cult. Once you reach 1,000 followers and the founders are dead, then it becomes a religion.

 

We are not going to use the philosophy of Exaltism or Right Reason as our name, so we don't even have a name for this movement yet. It really is just an idea for now. 

 

I know a lot of forums are going to dismiss my ideals, and most of them will tell me not to attract followers on their website. For my friend and I, this is kind of all we got though. I have a few plans for this cause that go outside telling people about it on forums like this, but as both of us are socially inapt I doubt either of us will attract any followers.



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I like transhumanism as an open movement but with broadly a common direction. A cult or religion, especially when words like "followers" are used can turn me off a little, because it implies following a complete set of rules or ideas. Dismissing some make you "less" of a follower and the ideas are formed by people, and people make errors. My idea of transhumanism and the future is pretty far from this kind of attitude. 

 

TL;DR I believe all ideas, including your own, should always be more subject to evaluation than being followed.



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Okay. Well, here are my beliefs.

 

My beliefs consist of fusing transhumanist technology with traditional religion. Meaning that, many things that are foretold in religions will be fulfilled with our technology in the future. I do not believe souls currently exist, but I see an inevitable future which they will exist due to our technology. If you just put someone in a new body, that won't be enough. People die for many reasons, besides old age. Creating an immortal soul to last indefinitely seems like a logical step to our evolutionary process. A process I call Divine Selection. 

 

I believe in more than the Singularity - I believe in the Omega Point. The point which life and nature becomes one. Life, with its living imperfections, and nature, with its dormant perfections, will combine to become one divine being. This will be the creation of God. And it will be done with our technology. 

 

This is the bite-size non-emotional version of this argument. I'm surprised I was able to summarize it in only two paragraphs. 

 

Water, you say my ideas need to be evaluated more so than followed. Well, I'm sure there could be a lot of criticism against my beliefs. There are a lot of people that theorize the end of human progression. What I believe I believe because of faith in our technology, transhumanism, and divine evolution. 

 

So, go ahead. Evaluate (and criticize) me. I won't get offended. In fact, if you can prove to me that this reality can not or will not exist, I'll change my opinions. After all, I could criticize myself... The belief that souls will be created with technology is a tenet I developed BECAUSE OF A DREAM! The rest of it I developed myself and discovered that transhumanists believe most if not all of what I already believe. 

 

I also realize that transhumanism, posthumanism, extropianism, and more all kind of believe in roughly the same things - but are philosophies, like my own (Exaltism). Also, there is already two transhumanist religions, the Turing Church and the Terasem Movement Foundation. So this really isn't anything new. Also, before all of this happened Teilhard already came up with the same thing with his book The Phenomenon of Man

 

Daniel's take on ethics consist of using natural remedies to heal people, to live at least a moderately ethical life by reducing consumption of meat products, and to help people whenever you can. There really much to argue against, because his 'natural' remedies are a bit ... unconventional. He believes in magic. 



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I actually think a lot of your ideas and reasons make sense and could turn out in the far future, however can you explain why you need a religion for this? this is the part that makes least sense. This seems like spiritualism in sheeps clothing. There is nothing wrong with that, its a good way to look at the world in a different light, but it will always clash with the logic of science. It will always be a battle, for all logic and science you try to use, spiritualists will hate it.

Morals/ethics will continue to change dramatically, this is the problem with religions, they have never been future proof and get exposed. In some ways Buddhism has seen some popularity in the west most likely because it was always more open minded to begin with and in some ways isnt even a religion.

I also dont believe in the soul but had an interest once in looking for any hidden meaning in all the old religions in case they had an intuition greater than ordinary, to give a hint to the future. It is fascinating some of the things in religion that dont get a mention.
'Force always attracts men of low morality' - Einstein
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I always love seeing the more fringe folks FTN attracts. Welcome to the forum, and despite what AWR is saying up there, all religions started as "cults" at first. As long as you guys don't start a cult of personality, demand peoples money if they join, isolate them from family and friends then guilting them into never leaving a desert compound I don't have an issue. :)

 

For example, the church of Satan is fringe as all hell but they're not a cult, at least the Laveyan branch isn't.

I wonder how many religions throughout history have been created, only to be forgotten when their prophet died, having never managed to attract very many people.

 

 

well, even religions, paradoxically, have to obey darwinism. from a biocultural viewpoint, the cults and the doctrines that lack of adaptive functions are doomed


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