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North Korea just tested a missile that experts say could reach anywhere in the US
Alex Lockie at Business Insider

http://www.businessi...tire-us-2017-11

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North Korea tested a missile on Tuesday that experts say could reach any part of the US.

The missile flew about 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) and landed in the sea east of Japan, but crested at a remarkable 4,500 kilometers (2,800 miles) above the Earth's surface, making it the highest and longest-lasting flight North Korea has completed to date.

North Korea previously tested intercontinental-ranged ballistic missiles, but those did not display ranges sufficient to hit important targets on the US's East Coast.

David Wright, a physicist and the codirector of the Union of Concerned Scientists' global security program, wrote in a recent blog post that North Korea's latest missile could likely fly 8,100 miles on a normal trajectory, enough to reach anywhere in the continental US.

 


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I wanted to mention, it actually got up to 2,800 miles! Even going up from 2,300 to 2,800 miles from the previous test to this one is a major improvement. 
A visual of their current range:
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The funny thing is, I'm just barely outside the missile range.


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North Korea just tested a missile that experts say could reach anywhere in the US

 

Good! Now they'll need to work on accuracy, so that their missiles would hit exactly the target instead of "target +/- 200 km". With such pace of progress as they've demonstrated, it should take only a few years.

 

Btw, about "socialism doesn't work"... the whole story of Korean missile program demonstrates that socialism (even distorted one) DOES work. This was the incredible achievement for such a small and poor country. And the famous phrase about "Upper Volta with missiles" is nonsense. To build missiles (better and better with each passed year) you need advanced industry and science plus bunch of engineers and qualified workers. And this all already means you're not Upper Volta.

 

Some conspiracy theorists, hovewer, insists that such a fast progress is still a bit suspicious. There shoud be someone more experienced behind those North Korean engineers. Who knows? I wouldn't be much surprised if it was true.


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North Korea just tested a missile that experts say could reach anywhere in the US

 

Good! Now they'll need to work on accuracy, so that their missiles could hit exactly the target instead of "target +/- 200 km". With such pace of progress as they've demonstrated, it should take only a few years.

 

Btw, about "socialism doesn't work"... the whole story of Korean missile program demonstrates that socialism (even distorted one) DOES work. This was the incredible achievement for such a small and poor country. And the famous phrase about "Upper Volta with missiles" is nonsense. To build missiles (better and better with each passed year) you need advanced industry and science plus bunch of engineers and qualified workers. And this all already means you're not Upper Volta.

 

Some conspiracy theorists, hovewer, insists that such a fast progress is still a bit suspicious. There shoud be someone more experienced behind those North Korean engineers. Who knows? I wouldn't be much surprised if it was true.

 

 

I think this just shows how capable the Koreans are, with their high IQ's, in spite of a terrible system. It makes me wonder how much more powerful they would be, if they were operating at peak efficiency. There's been rumors that South Korea already has secret nuclear capabilities. 



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I still don't get the propensity to call North Korea "communist." They literally have more in common with Japanese fascism than they do Marxism-Leninism, and  they never commanded the trust of other socialist states because they knew what Kim Il-Sung was actually going for. I think Mao was more supportive of Saloth Sar/Pol Pot than he was Kim Il-Sung (before he heard what was going on in Cambodia). I mean, they were giving the Khmer Rouge instructions on how to build communism— build socialism first, create an industrial proletariat, etc.— and the Cambodians ignored them. The Chinese and Russians didn't even bother with the North Koreans, which you'd think would be a red flag. 

 

It also makes sense if you look further back into Korean history. They didn't start opposing Western imperialism in 1948— they'd been called the 'Hermit Kingdom' and opponents of imperial hegemony since the 1600s, since the Joseon days. They've never been internationally minded— trying to make them so fundamentally misunderstands their culture. Their culture doesn't change because they're following a new book; at least, not unless they've been following that book for many generations. It's like when Britain, Russia/USSR/ and America tried invading Afghanistan— none of us bothered to understand Afghani culture because we assume that they'll roll over for us and our ideals with enough pressure, but that's just not the way they are. Failing to understand someone else's culture, especially attempting to apply a universal standard towards it, will almost always result in misunderstanding.

 

That's not different for North Korea. The South is only so different because it's a US puppet, and even then it's not like they're that different from the North. We're just told they're different, and we know that they have a freer economy and shinier buildings. Yet they were under a repressive fascist dictatorship for decades, then elected the daughter of the dictator that ruled them and they deposed, and it turned out that she was being controlled by a bunch of billionaire shamans so they had to depose her as well, and it's not like there was a revolution that undid the whole network that made this possible. Not to mention a handful of megacorps literally control the country. They, too, keep elements of Japanese imperialism in their culture (despite demanding apology from Japan for their WWII atrocities), on top of already having an isolationist and xenophobic culture.

 

 

I dunno, it just doesn't seem like anyone's got the full story on either of the Koreas and completely ignoring their history in lieu of what they claim to be now is part of the problem.


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I still don't get the propensity to call North Korea "communist." They literally have more in common with Japanese fascism than they do Marxism-Leninism, and  they never commanded the trust of other socialist states because they knew what Kim Il-Sung was actually going for. I think Mao was more supportive of Saloth Sar/Pol Pot than he was Kim Il-Sung (before he heard what was going on in Cambodia). I mean, they were giving the Khmer Rouge instructions on how to build communism— build socialism first, create an industrial proletariat, etc.— and the Cambodians ignored them. The Chinese and Russians didn't even bother with the North Koreans, which you'd think would be a red flag. 

 

It also makes sense if you look further back into Korean history. They didn't start opposing Western imperialism in 1948— they'd been called the 'Hermit Kingdom' and opponents of imperial hegemony since the 1600s, since the Joseon days. They've never been internationally minded— trying to make them so fundamentally misunderstands their culture. Their culture doesn't change because they're following a new book; at least, not unless they've been following that book for many generations. It's like when Britain, Russia/USSR/ and America tried invading Afghanistan— none of us bothered to understand Afghani culture because we assume that they'll roll over for us and our ideals with enough pressure, but that's just not the way they are. Failing to understand someone else's culture, especially attempting to apply a universal standard towards it, will almost always result in misunderstanding.

 

That's not different for North Korea. The South is only so different because it's a US puppet, and even then it's not like they're that different from the North. We're just told they're different, and we know that they have a freer economy and shinier buildings. Yet they were under a repressive fascist dictatorship for decades, then elected the daughter of the dictator that ruled them and they deposed, and it turned out that she was being controlled by a bunch of billionaire shamans so they had to depose her as well, and it's not like there was a revolution that undid the whole network that made this possible. Not to mention a handful of megacorps literally control the country. They, too, keep elements of Japanese imperialism in their culture (despite demanding apology from Japan for their WWII atrocities), on top of already having an isolationist and xenophobic culture.

 

 

I dunno, it just doesn't seem like anyone's got the full story on either of the Koreas and completely ignoring their history in lieu of what they claim to be now is part of the problem.

 

Many North Korean defectors have also described how internally there is essentially a highly resource-depleted capitalistic system operating. Since the government provides next to nothing or nothing. 

 

https://youtu.be/DyqUw0WYwoc?t=13m4s



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The abilities—and limits—of North Korean early warning

 

https://thebulletin....ly-warning11295

 

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(The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists) At 2:00 a.m. on a quiet night, a North Korean navy vessel on routine patrol moves slowly north along the eastern coast of North Korea. The watch officer on the ship is the first to notice signs: a barely audible rumble of engines from the north and small objects glinting in the moonlight as they streak toward North Korean shores. By the time the sound of the engines fades, it is clear to all on board that 20 to 30 cruise missiles are headed toward targets in North Korea.

 

Immediately, the ship contacts East Sea Fleet headquarters, which passes word to national leadership in Pyongyang. The source of the missiles can’t be known for sure, but few doubt their origin: US destroyers well out in the Sea of Japan have launched Tomahawk cruise missiles in response to North Korea’s latest nuclear weapon test. The missiles, traveling 100 to 150 feet above the water at speeds of more than 800 kilometers per hour, will reach their targets in 10 to 15 minutes.

 

Though this scenario is fiction—and hopefully will stay that way—it raises some crucial questions about North Korea’s early warning systems. How effectively can they detect attacks? How much warning will they provide the North Korean leadership? How will the capabilities and condition of Pyongyang’s early warning systems affect the nation’s response to military action?

 

If South Korea or the United States attacked the north, the amount of warning Pyongyang received would depend on the specific military action. A large-scale military operation would be relatively easy to detect. But a small-scale strike such as a cruise missile attack would be much more difficult—and could force North Korean leaders to make difficult decisions based on very little advance warning.


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