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Grenfell Tower Fire


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Horrendous news coming out of London what appears to be a major disaster. A 27 story apartment block has caught fire and apparently trapped many people in the inferno. There are fears for many people that are missing and there could be many fatalities. There are also fears the skyscraper could collapse. If this were to happen it would be only the fourth skyscraper to do so after the World Trade Center buildings.

 

https://www.theguard...ty-latimer-road

 

https://www.rt.com/u...-tower-inferno/



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Reports of previous concerns of fire status of building before it was destroyed.

 

https://grenfellacti...ll-a-fire-risk/

 

Update: Even more scathing.

 

https://grenfellacti...ying-with-fire/

 

Still no word on potential loss of life from this. 



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I will be coming back in a few hours as its bed time for me. Hoping for the best, but unfortunately expecting a lot of horrendous news in the next few hours... 



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Article from Jan 2016:

Grenfell Tower Still A Fire Risk

https://grenfellacti...ll-a-fire-risk/


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wow, this really sucks, I pray no one dies.


To follow my work on tropical cyclones


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Only one emergency exit, apparently.

People and families tweeting from inside, saying they were trapped.

Periscope videos -

 

https://www.pscp.tv/.../1lDxLjMmrkMGm?

https://www.pscp.tv/...PKqydRAgEKb?t=7

This looks really, really bad...


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The fire is out now, I saw a police update saying they have confirmed 6 dead so far, but i'm not sure if they're completely done searching the building.

 

Seen a lot of people pointing to both the history of the tower and how badly its safety has been managed, as well as people talking about the massive cuts to fire dept. budgets when looking to place blame.



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The fire is out now, I saw a police update saying they have confirmed 6 dead so far...

 

i suspect there will be much more than 6:

 


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Baby caught after being 'dropped to safety from tower'

 

A baby was caught by a member of the public after being dropped from a window as fire engulfed London's Grenfell Tower, a witness has said.

 

Samira Lamrani said she saw a woman gesturing to the crowd below that she was about to drop her baby from "the ninth or 10th floor" of the building.

 

A man ran forward and managed to catch the baby, she said.

 


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A baby was caught by a member of the public after being dropped from a window

 

WHAT??? Does westerners know about / use this:

 

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Yes, scary and risky and you can easily break your arm or leg... but still much better than just jumping from the window. 


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^I'm assuming it was done in panic without enough time for an appropriate response. 


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Report: Former Conservative cabinet minister argued against mandatory sprinklers in buildings.

 

Said it was responsibility of fire fighting industry to market them...

 

Now I'm one of the right-leaning members of this board. But this seems a little bit ridiculous to me. First of all I don't know what the difference in the U.K. and Canadian conservatism is but this would never fly in Canada. Sprinkler and alarm systems would be required for this kind of building. Reminds me of auto insurance it is something you need to operate a motor vehicle in Canada and for good reason, you pick the auto insurance provider you like best but you still need auto-insurance. I would think it should be the situation where buildings need fire safety systems you simply get to choose the most competitive provider. Not only that but having a limited fire which might have been stopped with a working sprinkler system would have been far less damaging than the upcoming write-off of this building. Not to mention the inevitable lawsuits which will be coming against the managers of the building for the piss-poor fire negation done on this building. 

 

This is not a total denunciation of capitalism and building administration by the way. This was a publicly-owned and managed building and I don't believe any large private organization would have been this careless with fire administration like this public one seemed to be due to bureaucratic incompetence. 

 

http://www.mirror.co...ing-up-10622601


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Another thing I would like to mention is that the density focused policies of many urban cities have increased the amount of super-tall residential apartments and condominiums without having any kind of new plans in place for dealing with the fire hazards that these kind of buildings create. Here in Canada we are having some insanely large booms in construction of these kinds of buildings in Toronto and Vancouver in particular. The problem is many of these buildings are being built quickly and with little oversight and most politicians are afraid of adversely impacting the real-estate sector as it is currently in bubble mode egged on by poor legislation and green policies which cut supply for other types of housing and force people into these sky-high death traps should a fire occur (although I don't think one in Canada would get this bad as fire systems are typically MANDATORY). I would never live in one of these kinds of buildings and I expect to see more of this kind of thing in the near-future sadly. 



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@Wjfox: Can you see this fire from where you live? 



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BREAKING: Reports more than 100 people may be missing and feared dead.

 

http://www.dailymail...ower-block.html



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Report: Former Conservative cabinet minister argued against mandatory sprinklers in buildings.

 

Said it was responsibility of fire fighting industry to market them...

 

Now I'm one of the right-leaning members of this board. But this seems a little bit ridiculous to me. First of all I don't know what the difference in the U.K. and Canadian conservatism is but this would never fly in Canada. Sprinkler and alarm systems would be required for this kind of building. Reminds me of auto insurance it is something you need to operate a motor vehicle in Canada and for good reason, you pick the auto insurance provider you like best but you still need auto-insurance. I would think it should be the situation where buildings need fire safety systems you simply get to choose the most competitive provider. Not only that but having a limited fire which might have been stopped with a working sprinkler system would have been far less damaging than the upcoming write-off of this building. Not to mention the inevitable lawsuits which will be coming against the managers of the building for the piss-poor fire negation done on this building. 

 

This is not a total denunciation of capitalism and building administration by the way. This was a publicly-owned and managed building and I don't believe any large private organization would have been this careless with fire administration like this public one seemed to be due to bureaucratic incompetence. 

 

http://www.mirror.co...ing-up-10622601

 

I'm pretty sure most people in the UK (myself included) assumed there was strict laws with the fire safety with these buildings. Pretty shocking and despicable that people have argued against mandatory measures.



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@Wjfox: Can you see this fire from where you live? 

 

You could see it from central London this morning. I could just about see it as I came into Kings Cross- St Pancras station.



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A baby was caught by a member of the public after being dropped from a window

 

WHAT??? Does westerners know about / use this:

 

nsp_01.jpg

 

Yes, scary and risky and you can easily break your arm or leg... but still much better than just jumping from the window. 

 

 

We have similar devices here in the West. However from my understanding these weren't able to be deployed here as whole sections of the building were coming down below and would've killed people had they been standing below it attempting to get people to jump.






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