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How do you feel about the Singularity

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Ray Kurzweil, Google’s Director of Engineering, is a well-known futurist with a high-hitting track record for accurate predictions. Of his 147 predictions since the 1990s, Kurzweil claims an 86 percent accuracy rate. At the SXSW Conference in Austin, Texas, Kurzweil made yet another prediction: the technological singularity will happen sometime in the next 30 years.

 
In a communication to Futurism, Kurzweil states:
 
"2029 is the consistent date I have predicted for when an AI will pass a valid Turing test and therefore achieve human levels of intelligence. I have set the date 2045 for the ‘Singularity’ which is when we will multiply our effective intelligence a billion fold by merging with the intelligence we have created."

https://futurism.com...happen-by-2045/


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Elon Musk is talking about the Singularity with 'Rick and Morty'

 

While the show disgusts him from time-to-time, Musk said he's a fan, and it's 30 minutes he enjoys sharing with his five sons. Very sweet. "Rick and Morty" responded by promising to disgust the entire Musk family with the third season clincher. Also very sweet.

 
And "Rick and Morty" delivered on its promise! Musk said the season-three finale was "disgustingly good." That compliment quickly escalated to Musk's musings about the Singularity, as can only happen when you're in a Twitter thread with a billionaire trying to colonize Mars.
 
Final episode was disgustingly good
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 5, 2017
 
The singularity for this level of the simulation is coming soon. I wonder what the levels above us look like. 
 
Good chance they are less interesting and deeper levels are better. So far, even our primitive sims are often more entertaining than reality itself.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 5, 2017
 
Musk also loves to spend time debating whether we're in a simulation. He has said there's a "billion-to-one chance we're living in base reality."
 
So there you have it: Musk is debating whether the Singularity has already been achieved in other simulations.

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He has said there's a "billion-to-one chance we're living in base reality."

 

 

Probably the reason he feels that way has to do with how we perceive reality.  Our minds actually construct a view of the world based on sensory input. In that sense, what we perceive is actually a simulation of the "base reality."  It leaves out some things, possibly includes other things that are just product of the imagination.  This may very well doom us as a species.  We are all stuck in our own simulations.  So when others come along insisting on the veracity of their own simulation, many of us feel compelled to strike out violently against such a disturbing force. We do so to preserve our own sanity.  To do otherwise is to embrace a highly schizophrenic view of the world.  One in which multiple interpretations of reality operate side by side.  Our minds crave simplicity and understanding, so the complexity of such a schizophrenic world is simply too overwhelming.  


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I am surprised so few people feel scared.

 

Whilst I am also excited, the consequences of a singularity are fundamentally unpredictable and chaotic. We can envisage much of the progress that is likely to happen before the singularity as it is grounded in what we currently understand. A technological singularity is so named after the singularity in a black hole. Physics breaks down. Nothing makes sense to the outside observer. I don't think anyone truly knows what will happen when we create a superintelligence. It is beyond our comprehension.

 

In a worse case scenario we may become extinct. In a best case scenario we might merge our intelligence and become beings capable of deeper consciousness and experiences than we can possibly comprehend. Either way, the human as we currently are now would no longer exist. 

 

Does everyone really lack this fear in the unknown?


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^^^For myself, I don't see enough of a change in our present circumstances to get all that frightened.  That is to say that the future has always been "unpredictable and chaotic."  

 

In chaos theory, there is the notion of the strange attractor. By analogy, AI is just becoming one of those attractors. A factor (or perhaps "issue" is a better word) around which the future will be attracted or shaped.  No more, no less.

 

Maybe, if I think about it some more...  


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But once we cross the event horizon, it is then no longer incomprehensible.

 

It's as with a black hole where after falling into it and you turn around to look at the outside, the Universe goes through billions of years of change in front of your eyes in an instant. You're seeing it under a different light, literally.

 

Might be the same when you're on the other side of the Singularity. What does it mean to go over there? Who knows.


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We will probably have a massive financial crash before the Singularity arrives. A rapid succession of boom/bust cycles (especially in the tech sector), and general volatility. It's hard to imagine how we'll make it through the chaos. Personally I think there'll be a backlash against the AIs, and the ruling elites will use them to suppress the public. Society will become divided between those who wish to progress and merge with AI, and those who don't. The schism will widen, as the upper echelons of society gain ever more impressive abilities – both physically and mentally, through genetic engineering and other upgrades. Given the exponential nature of these technologies, it wouldn't take long for a race of bona fide 'superhumans' to emerge. At some point, their new forms could make them unstoppable, and practically immortal. How would they then perceive the much greater numbers of people at the lower end of society? Would they retain their humanity? This is one of my biggest fears about the Singularity. Not so much the robots and AIs, but the humans who'd have access to them, and the God-like powers they'd acquire.

 

 

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^^^Ok, now you are starting to get me worried  :) 


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This is one of my biggest fears about the Singularity. Not so much the robots and AIs, but the humans who'd have access to them, and the God-like powers they'd acquire.

When I get God-like powers, I'm going to use them to upload you into a simulation of a hypercapitalist Christian theocracy where everyone lives underground or in domed cities due to the destroyed environment.


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^^^Ok, now you are starting to get me worried  :)

Let me harry your worried mind by saying that the financial elites are already losing control and must be nervously pulling at their collars. They've let bots all but run Wall Street and Shanghai. They have to; it's the only way to stay profitable. And those bots are starting to make strange moves.


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@wjfox I think the root of your worry is that you understand how little we know about AI, and that goes for a lot of people on the forum.

You're right. How the hell can we predict what a world run by superintelligent AI will look like in many decades time, when the best we have is a computer program that can win at a board game,i.e. such incredibly narrow areas of life. I know I sound like a party killer here, but I think it's pointless to try and predict something so different when we have virtually no solid information to base our arguments on. All we have to base our arguments on are our imaginations, which can be very exaggerated and different from reality.

We will probably have a better idea of what the 'singularity' will be like by the mid 2020s when we have made more progress with AI and robotics, or at least enough to see the direction it is going.

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^^^Ok, now you are starting to get me worried  :)

Let me harry your worried mind by saying that the financial elites are already losing control and must be nervously pulling at their collars. They've let bots all but run Wall Street and Shanghai. They have to; it's the only way to stay profitable. And those bots are starting to make strange moves.

 

Now that is starting to sound more like the more things change the more things stay the same. Except maybe we are now talking about bots instead of "mechanization".  Making money on Wall Street and Shanghai was always a bit of a gamble and subject to external forces and developments, as well as consequences of internally adopted technological innovations.  


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We will probably have a better idea of what the 'singularity' will be like by the mid 2020s when we have made more progress with AI and robotics, or at least enough to see the direction it is going.

Saying we'll have a better idea of what the Singularity will be like by 2027 would be like saying someone in 1927 had a better idea of what a hydrogen bomb could do than someone from 1917.

 

Like I said, the fundamental part of the Singularity that needs to be understand is that is that it's not just generally intelligent software but instead infinitely or near-infinitely improving hardware done by said intelligent software. 


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We will probably have a better idea of what the 'singularity' will be like by the mid 2020s when we have made more progress with AI and robotics, or at least enough to see the direction it is going.

Saying we'll have a better idea of what the Singularity will be like by 2027 would be like saying someone in 1927 had a better idea of what a hydrogen bomb could do than someone from 1917.

 

Like I said, the fundamental part of the Singularity that needs to be understand is that is that it's not just generally intelligent software but instead infinitely or near-infinitely improving hardware done by said intelligent software. 

 

 

I was going to make this same point. Perhaps we will have a better understanding of the sort of progress that will occur before the singularity, but not the singularity itself. 



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Just a thought, but if all the world's nations are restricting access to the best developments of the singularity to their elites, and one nation actually works to make it available to all (or at least to most) that nation with its 70-80% trans humans will end up with a huge competitive advantage over the nations with <1% transhumans. 

 

So it may not all be doom and destruction. 


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