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I don't really think the Kurds could incite a global revolution against Capitalism and the state. This isn't the great depression, a lot of people are happy with the current governments they live in and those who aren't happy with the current government (specifically democrats) don't want an anarchistic system, they just want a different government.

 

 

I wasn't talking about the developed world. If you think the majority of the populations of third world and developing countries are happy with their governments I encourage you to go to one and ask someone from the local working class what they think. Have you ever noticed that all these massive protests, strikes and riots mostly happen in undeveloped/developing countries? This would start in the countries that us westerners generally don't pay attention to, if allowed to brew long enough, larger developing nations would start feeling the effects. Imagine the effects of revolution in a country like India, 100s of millions of people live in poverty and already hate their government. They recently held the largest strike in human history.   https://en.wikipedia..._strike_of_2016

 

Don't expect change to come from these cushy precariat nations, it's always the slaves that strike back first!

 

I don't expect anarchism at first per say, but the 21st century is prime for a resurgence of socialism and I feel that this time it might be democratic in nature, which would ultimately lead to anarchic forms of communism, hopefully with a large amount of automation.

 

Yes I understand, but I don't see why the people in the 1st World countries which are happy with their lives would want to join this rebellion? Sure the people of the poor nations might want to, but if people are happy with their lives and their current government then I don't think they would revolt.

 

Well here's the thing: much of what we enjoy is made in the third world. If the third world revolts, there goes our comfy life. Whatever isn't completely taken away from us will instead have their prices jacked by an order of magnitude. All of a sudden, a huge swath of the population is plunged into poverty without having changed their station in life.

 

We're only three square meals away from anarchy. 


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'Yes' to Kurdistan: 92 Percent of Iraq's Kurds Voted for Independence

Iraq's Kurds have voted to create an independent state, the High Elections and Referendum Commission said on Wednesday, in a referendum that has angered the Baghdad government and regional powers Turkey and Iran. 
More than 92 percent of voters voted in favor of independence, the electoral commission announced. 
The official results come a day after Iraqi Kurdish leader Masoud Barzani declared victory in the referendum, which the U.S., major European countries and neighbors Turkey and Iran have described as destabilizing.


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Who's ready for a revolutionary war? I fear that the Kurds are going to be up against at least the Iranians, Turkish, Syrians and Iraqis as first. I think they can win if they spread their revolution into these states. If the Kurds in Turkey revolt, followed by revolt in Iran it might buy Rojava enough time to strengthen itself.


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Who's ready for a revolutionary war? I fear that the Kurds are going to be up against at least the Iranians, Turkish, Syrians and Iraqis as first. I think they can win if they spread their revolution into these states. If the Kurds in Turkey revolt, followed by revolt in Iran it might buy Rojava enough time to strengthen itself.

From what I've heard both Saudi Arabia and Jordan are in favor of the Kurds, Israel hates Iran. This might kick off a regional war.


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Who's ready for a revolutionary war? I fear that the Kurds are going to be up against at least the Iranians, Turkish, Syrians and Iraqis as first. I think they can win if they spread their revolution into these states. If the Kurds in Turkey revolt, followed by revolt in Iran it might buy Rojava enough time to strengthen itself.

 

 

Trump needs to support kardistan and confine it to northern Iraq.

 

We need to use our power to make sure the shit doesn't hit the fan.


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Trump supporting Kurdistan would be the best (read: worst) possible segue into the official US-Iran War that's been teased for the past 20 years, for the past three seasons of Life on Earth. Lord hopes it's not the plotline that leads to our cancellation— the ratings are up and the ASI's not even been created yet!


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Kurds Back Independence by 92% in Referendum; Iraq May Send Troops

Iraq’s Parliament asked the country’s prime minister on Wednesday to deploy troops to a disputed area held by Kurdish forces, its latest retaliation against a referendum in which the autonomous region voted decisively to seek independence.
The referendum on Monday has roiled the region and prompted a confrontation with the government in Baghdad, which has called the vote illegal and has vowed to ignore the results. The vote has also provoked the Kurdish region’s two powerful neighbors, Turkey and Iran.
Iraq has ordered Kurdish authorities to surrender control of the region’s two international airports or face a shutdown of all international flights starting on Friday. Two airlines — EgyptAir, based in Cairo, and Middle East Airlines, based in Beirut, Lebanon — said on Wednesday that they would suspend flights to and from the Kurdish region beginning on Friday.


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I honestly don't know what to make of the recent Kurdish events. On the one hand, the Kurdish people do constitute a nation, which is definitely oppressed in the case of Turkey and historically oppressed in the case of Iraq, and I think those who deny this are engaging in chauvinism.

 

On the other hand, imperialism does want to Balkanise the Middle East and the US and Israel are strongly in support of breaking Syria and Iraq into pieces. There are US military bases in Kurdistan even now. One question is, independence under whose leadership, under what circumstances? The Kurds aren't a monolithic bloc, but a class society like any other. A simple 'yes' vote for independence is not inherently democratic; the bourgeoisie used the same to break apart the Soviet Union. A socialist, anti-imperialist Kurdish state could be a step forward, but is that what's going to happen? If so, why are the US and Israel so strongly behind it? And why is the YPG seizing so much Arab territory in Syria if the goal is simply Kurdish self-determination?

 

I hate to say it but I suspect the effect of this is going to be less about emancipation of the Kurdish people and more about strengthening imperialism in the region and weakening those countries not under the control of the American Empire. South Sudan all over again.


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Iran shuts down Kurdistan 24 bureau in Tehran following Kurdistan referendum

The Iranian Government on Wednesday shut down the Kurdistan 24 bureau in Tehran, two days after the Kurdistan Region's held its referendum on independence.
The Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance told the Tehran-based Kurdistan 24 bureau that they no longer have permission to work in Iran as a result of the referendum and "current developments" in the Kurdistan Region.

"We are very concerned about the closure of the Kurdistan 24 bureau in Tehran. While our correspondents were doing their job and professionally covering news in the country, they were very restricted by the Iranian government," the General Manager of Kurdistan 24, Noreldin Waisy, said.
"However, the closure of our bureau will not affect Kurdistan 24's coverage of Iran-related news, professionally and objectively," Waisy added.


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Kurdistan referendum could launch velvet revolution in Middle East

In the history of the Middle East, most states in the region were built as a result of war, collapsing empires, or by the grace of colonial powers. From the beginning of the George Bush Doctrine for democracy and the fight against terror until now, all efforts have failed to build sustainable democracy in the region. Instead of modern states, non-state actors and terrorist groups have grown in the area. While this is a real threat to the people living in the region, it also threatens the world’s security.
Why has every attempt to change the Middle East been unsuccessful? Most times, solutions suggested by Western powers have made the situation worse. Research suggests the Western governments’ lack of knowledge of the Middle East’s peoples and their will has contributed to this repeated failure. 
For instance, Thomas Edward Lawrence, the British commander of the Arab revolt, with his knowledge of the local people’s culture and behavior, helped Emir Feisel win against the Turks in World War One. He made it clear the only way to gain victory in this area was to know the essence of the population’s culture and build plans with that knowledge in mind.
However, Western powers tried to bring democracy to the Middle East without being aware of the intricacies of the people’s different ethnicities, religions, and tribal affiliations.


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Iraqi PM gives Kurdistan three days to hand over oil revenue, airports, border-crossings

The Prime Minister of Iraq, Haider al-Abadi, on Tuesday stated that he would not compromise on Iraq’s unity and sovereignty, calling for control over the Kurdistan Region to be handed over.
On Monday, the semi-autonomous Kurdistan Region held a landmark referendum on independence, a move opposed by Baghdad, neighboring countries, and the international community.
In a series of tweets, the Iraqi PM expressed his strong opposition to the referendum, threatening he would take measures against it.
“We will not compromise on Iraq’s unity or sovereignty. Iraq is strong. Some wanted to weaken it. They have miscalculated,” Abadi tweeted on his official account on Tuesday.


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Putin speaks with Erdogan, Rouhani about Kurdistan referendum

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday called his Turkish and Iranian counterparts to discuss the Kurdistan Region’s independence referendum, a Kremlin spokesperson said.
According to Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, President Putin talked to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani in separate phone calls about the vote in the Kurdistan Region.
“This issue was discussed during telephone conversations,” Peskov told reporters on Tuesday without providing further details.
The spokesperson explained that Russia’s position regarding Kurdistan’s referendum and ambitions of statehood “has not changed,” adding Moscow wants a unified Iraq.


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Sorry for going slightly off topic, but how do you make text bigger if you want to edit a post?

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Before the Spark Breaks Out in Kurdistan

The severe escalation by the Iraqi central government, Iran and Turkey with the unprecedented siege and threats of starving the Kurds, disregard the fact that Kurds announced earlier that the referendum is not an announcement of independence — it only acknowledges the necessity to move to the next step and to negotiate with Iraq and neighboring states in addition to the international community the conditions of separation, if it happened.
 
Confederation with enhanced conditions and possibly a new version of the current self-ruling which means that Kurds moved on with the referendum after they lost hope in any of the main powers to understand the situation. They moved on with a referendum that enhances their condition and urges European countries to focus on reforming ties between Kurds and the central government.


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