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My list of mankind's greatest future achievements


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I am doing a project on what mankind's greatest future achievement milestones are.

Here's what I've come up with so far.

-First man on Mars

-First fusion reactor

-Space elevator

-True artificial intelligence

-Faster than light communications

-Faster than light travel

I have 6 so far. Can someone give me 9 more ideas so I can have 15? I'm totally stumped. I'm thinking their are many obscure or not thought about accomplishments out their.



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To be a writer, you need to read more. Read science fiction, science news, papers on interesting concepts if you can find them. Do you think I would have so many ideas about the future if I didn't spend many hours a week reading about it?


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Maybe not quite the right category, (not a human acheivement as such) but first contact with an alien civilization? 

 

More of a Human achievement would be first discovery of multicellular life on another planet.

 

Also first human designed multicellular life. 

 

Not sure if it fits in the scope of what you're doing but the Kardashev scale (https://en.wikipedia...Kardashev_scale) gives a few major landmarks in humanity's future development. 



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You should add Full-Immersive Virtual Reality to your list. Being able to create new worlds where you can fulfill any desire you want is the greatest step mankind can take. What else is better than creating an endless utopia? It would probably be the last invention humans would need to make.

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You should add Full-Immersive Virtual Reality to your list. Being able to create new worlds where you can fulfill any desire you want is the greatest step mankind can take. What else is better than creating an endless utopia? It would probably be the last invention humans would need to make.

Except for the small but important fact that it's not real, and should anything go wrong in the real world, well, goodbye fake gods.


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You should add Full-Immersive Virtual Reality to your list. Being able to create new worlds where you can fulfill any desire you want is the greatest step mankind can take. What else is better than creating an endless utopia? It would probably be the last invention humans would need to make.

Except for the small but important fact that it's not real, and should anything go wrong in the real world, well, goodbye fake gods.

 

But remember what Morpheus said. "Real" is basically just electrical signals that your brain interprets. If your brain believes it's real, then it technically is real. 



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You should add Full-Immersive Virtual Reality to your list. Being able to create new worlds where you can fulfill any desire you want is the greatest step mankind can take. What else is better than creating an endless utopia? It would probably be the last invention humans would need to make.

Except for the small but important fact that it's not real, and should anything go wrong in the real world, well, goodbye fake gods.

 

But remember what Morpheus said. "Real" is basically just electrical signals that your brain interprets. If your brain believes it's real, then it technically is real. 

 

We'll see how real it is when someone shuts down the simulation because you can't pay for the data costs because you're too busy playing god instead of contributing to society.


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You should add Full-Immersive Virtual Reality to your list. Being able to create new worlds where you can fulfill any desire you want is the greatest step mankind can take. What else is better than creating an endless utopia? It would probably be the last invention humans would need to make.

Except for the small but important fact that it's not real, and should anything go wrong in the real world, well, goodbye fake gods.
But remember what Morpheus said. "Real" is basically just electrical signals that your brain interprets. If your brain believes it's real, then it technically is real.
We'll see how real it is when someone shuts down the simulation because you can't pay for the data costs because you're too busy playing god instead of contributing to society.

You don't have to be so pessimistic. People who use FIVR could still contribute to society, especially since it could provide easy and cheap access to education, job training, engineering, etc.
Although, if someone preferred to live 24/7 in a virtural utopia instead of our boring and sad reality, you can't blame them.

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You should add Full-Immersive Virtual Reality to your list. Being able to create new worlds where you can fulfill any desire you want is the greatest step mankind can take. What else is better than creating an endless utopia? It would probably be the last invention humans would need to make.

Except for the small but important fact that it's not real, and should anything go wrong in the real world, well, goodbye fake gods.
But remember what Morpheus said. "Real" is basically just electrical signals that your brain interprets. If your brain believes it's real, then it technically is real.
We'll see how real it is when someone shuts down the simulation because you can't pay for the data costs because you're too busy playing god instead of contributing to society.

You don't have to be so pessimistic. People who use FIVR could still contribute to society, especially since it could provide easy and cheap access to education, job training, engineering, etc.
Although, if someone preferred to live 24/7 in a virtural utopia instead of our boring and sad reality, you can't blame them.

 

You don't have to be so unrealistic.

 

Not saying FIVR won't be important, but it pales in comparison to other innovations.


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You should add Full-Immersive Virtual Reality to your list. Being able to create new worlds where you can fulfill any desire you want is the greatest step mankind can take. What else is better than creating an endless utopia? It would probably be the last invention humans would need to make.

Except for the small but important fact that it's not real, and should anything go wrong in the real world, well, goodbye fake gods.
But remember what Morpheus said. "Real" is basically just electrical signals that your brain interprets. If your brain believes it's real, then it technically is real.
We'll see how real it is when someone shuts down the simulation because you can't pay for the data costs because you're too busy playing god instead of contributing to society.
You don't have to be so pessimistic. People who use FIVR could still contribute to society, especially since it could provide easy and cheap access to education, job training, engineering, etc.
Although, if someone preferred to live 24/7 in a virtural utopia instead of our boring and sad reality, you can't blame them.
You don't have to be so unrealistic.

Not saying FIVR won't be important, but it pales in comparison to other innovations.

Perfecting nanotechnology is the only achievement I can think of that's more important. Besides that, what else is better than having unlimited experiences in a utopian reality?

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You should add Full-Immersive Virtual Reality to your list. Being able to create new worlds where you can fulfill any desire you want is the greatest step mankind can take. What else is better than creating an endless utopia? It would probably be the last invention humans would need to make.

Except for the small but important fact that it's not real, and should anything go wrong in the real world, well, goodbye fake gods.
But remember what Morpheus said. "Real" is basically just electrical signals that your brain interprets. If your brain believes it's real, then it technically is real.
We'll see how real it is when someone shuts down the simulation because you can't pay for the data costs because you're too busy playing god instead of contributing to society.
You don't have to be so pessimistic. People who use FIVR could still contribute to society, especially since it could provide easy and cheap access to education, job training, engineering, etc.
Although, if someone preferred to live 24/7 in a virtural utopia instead of our boring and sad reality, you can't blame them.
You don't have to be so unrealistic.

Not saying FIVR won't be important, but it pales in comparison to other innovations.

Perfecting nanotechnology is the only achievement I can think of that's more important. Besides that, what else is better than having unlimited experiences in a utopian reality?

 

I don't know, how about developing the tech to stop asteroid impacts instead of doing nothing all day.


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I am doing a project on what mankind's greatest future achievement milestones are.

Here's what I've come up with so far.

-First man on Mars

-First fusion reactor

-Space elevator

-True artificial intelligence

-Faster than light communications

-Faster than light travel

I have 6 so far. Can someone give me 9 more ideas so I can have 15? I'm totally stumped. I'm thinking their are many obscure or not thought about accomplishments out their.

 

 

Why not a lofstrom loop and eventual orbital rings that are actually feasable instead of a space elevator dependant on materials we cant even reasonably mass produce yet?



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I don't know, how about developing the tech to stop asteroid impacts instead of doing nothing all day.

 

One thing to note, if we had FIVR, then literally everything that is not essential to survival could be shifted into the virtual space, leaving us able to dedicate nearly all our resources and effort to important tasks that actually matter. 

So assuming future nations are a lot like modern nations, your whole country's GDP would be split between (​in no particular order):

 

A) The FIVR system everyone is using.

B) Military

C) Basic services Police/fire depts/paramedics/medicine

D) Basic food/clothing, mass produced at great scale to supply everyone

E) Actual important goals like colonising new planets, building asteroid defences, advancing science etc.

 

Giving people the stuff they want but don't need in FIVR would be much more efficient than giving them real physical stuff, and allow many more real world resources to be dedicated to important tasks like survival of human civilisation, and less on things like making reality tv programs. 



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I don't know, how about developing the tech to stop asteroid impacts instead of doing nothing all day.

 

One thing to note, if we had FIVR, then literally everything that is not essential to survival could be shifted into the virtual space, leaving us able to dedicate nearly all our resources and effort to important tasks that actually matter. 

So assuming future nations are a lot like modern nations, your whole country's GDP would be split between (​in no particular order):

 

A) The FIVR system everyone is using.

B) Military

C) Basic services Police/fire depts/paramedics/medicine

D) Basic food/clothing, mass produced at great scale to supply everyone

E) Actual important goals like colonising new planets, building asteroid defences, advancing science etc.

 

Giving people the stuff they want but don't need in FIVR would be much more efficient than giving them real physical stuff, and allow many more real world resources to be dedicated to important tasks like survival of human civilisation, and less on things like making reality tv programs. 

 

Perhaps that's true, but it's hardly what the other guy was describing. It also ignores the computational resources required for this, and the fact that most people want real experiences, because of human nature (the caveman principle is something we always need to take into consideration).


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Yeah, my comment was really more directed at both of you, basically: "its not an either or thing", bblanks points definitely came across as more of a "VR is the greatest thing ever" I get the impression he was trying to convince you of why VR experiences could be as valid as real ones while you were more looking at it from the view of the long term fate of human civilization.  :biggrin:

 

You're right in that there would be a lot of resistance to it as well from the same people today who can't understand why people read books, watch tv and spend time on computers when they could be outside. Only more of them as this new more extreme form of escapism comes in that people have never seen before. 

 

I think as it was introduced, initial adoption would be low, (or extremely low if it required invasive devices, brain chips etc.) But it would get used for making TV and movies or porn experiences or other scenarios where they can afford to pay $500 an hour to have someone logged in. 

 

Over time costs would drop, the tech would (hopefully) be proved safe and it would start to get more and more takers, at this point you'd start to see a fall in people spending on real world entertainments.

 

Real world businesses that produce things people don't NEED​ would start having more and more issues, which would in turn lead to higher prices, or more closures, which would make real world entertainment less available, or less good over time, meaning more and more people would move to VR, simply because that's where everything interesting is happening. Once people can get FIVR in their homes for relatively affordable prices, is when this would really kick in. 

 

The cost of computing resources for it is a big issue, We think it will be easy to fool the human senses with the same sort of things we use for VR, movies and videogames today, but it might require significant increases in processing power to do things like deliver a sense of touch, or smell or taste.

 

An accurate simulation of reality would require multiple planets worth of processing power, so we will need to cut corners somewhere along the way, how much FIVR improves the efficiency of our civilization (if it did at all) will depend on how many corners we can cut and still get an experience that is indistinguishable from real life. (apart from whatever obvious notification you use to help people tell the difference)


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1. Humanity Achieves Post-Scarcity

 

2. The general awareness of each individual about humanity and our predicament in the cosmos reaches Carl Sagan levels, everyone stops being assholes to each other and chills out.

 

3. Humanity Stops war poverty and the perversion of power

All three of the above have to come together really.

 

4. Uses Science to find out "why"

 

5. Humanity Achieves Regular Interstellar Spaceflight and Exploration

 

6. Humanity Completes an entire Encyclopedia Galactica, a catalouge of every world and object in the galaxy

 

7. Humanity discovers other life

 

8. Humanity Meets another intelligence


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1. Humanity Achieves Post-Scarcity

Probably not very practical or possible.

 

 

3. Humanity Stops war poverty and the perversion of power

Well perhaps if all humans are dead. Otherwise it can't happen.

 

 

4. Uses Science to find out "why"

Not an appropriate use of science. That's the domain of philosophy.


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4. Uses Science to find out "why"

Not an appropriate use of science. That's the domain of philosophy.


That's a bs distinction. Any other method and you're just guessing.

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4. Uses Science to find out "why"

Not an appropriate use of science. That's the domain of philosophy.[/quote]

That's a bs distinction. Any other method and you're just guessing.

 

Well there's science, the application of the scientific method to explain observations about the natural world, and there's Science™, the mystical force that is all-powerful, always-right, and must never be questioned. A lot of "rational" people seem to be fond of the latter, treating it almost like a religion.

 

You cannot devise a scientific experiment that proves or disproves the existence of God. You cannot devise an experiment that proves the validity of dualism or monism. You cannot show that my perception of color is the same as yours. The only thing you can do is find a set of axioms that you believe in and work out your views on such matters by making logical deductions from these axioms.

 

If you cannot formulate a hypothesis and construct some sort of meaningful test of it, there is absolutely no point in trying to do science.


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There is absolutely no reason to believe that we can't test our way to a "why" answer. Maybe we just need a planet sized computer, who knows.

 

You cannot devise a scientific experiment that proves or disproves the existence of God. You cannot devise an experiment that proves the validity of dualism or monism. You cannot show that my perception of color is the same as yours. The only thing you can do is find a set of axioms that you believe in and work out your views on such matters by making logical deductions from these axioms.

 

All of that is just made up shit, the domain of philosophy.


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