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My list of mankind's greatest future achievements


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Well if you think philosophy is "made up shit" I can't help you and have no reason to continue talking to you.



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All of that is just made up shit, the domain of philosophy.


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Well if you think philosophy is "made up shit" I can't help you and have no reason to continue talking to you.

 

Well, coulda said that my beliefs are a philosophy in of itself. That beats me.


We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers. - Carl Sagan


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Wow guys. I was fascinated by how everyone was so critical on each others' views, so let me join please. hekhek. xD

 

This is somehow related to this topic, which I thought was already done. But there you go. Food for thought for us futurists out there hanging out in here.

 

Also, for those who haven't yet, check out this collaborative supersanity of most of our wildest dreams. I can't possibly imagine how many times this encyclopedia has been cited here but please, try to digest the primer, and only then can we talk about being a futurist.

 

But if you're not here to satisfy your practical and technical science-y urges, perhaps, you're interested in short stories instead?

 

As you can see, I'm a huge nerd who'd rather write about how we can become a Type V civilization instead of study for my final exams (gotta fix that).

But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind, and to do that... we must have...

 

1. Solved the hard problem of consciousness. By being able to deconstruct conscious, subjective, raw experiences (a.k.a. qualia) into a vast network of neural firing patterns (a.k.a. mindstates), i.e. knowing which mindstates encode which qualia inside an individual's brain, MAYBE we can put an end to most of the debates in cognitive sciences (psychology, philosophy, computer science, theology, etc.). Putting an end to such similar debates (is there a soul, a God, a reality, a phenomenon of 'what's it like to be'), only then can we find ourselves capable of becoming the gods we once believed in, losing much concern for the things that once held us back like vague ethics, tangible currency, scientific ignorance, etc.

 

2. Discovered/Invented an algorithm for generating/finding/factoring into prime numbers. Although this one is quite small in our perspective, most of us aren't aware that insanely large prime numbers are one of the key features in cryptography that protects the digital extensions of our identities, because they are so unique that bruteforcing them remains possible but would require impossibly huge amount of time. Maybe even if we already have quantum computers, the only obvious advantage is the speed of factoring large composite numbers into their primes.

 

3. United quantum mechanics, relativity, through a modified M-theory. Majority of the players in the entire scientific community ground themselves on the two largest umbrellas (quantum mechanics and relativity) that explain this universe. However, for those working on string theory, they are pretty much a laughable bunch whose theories are currently untestable by a long shot. Although the concepts of compactified higher dimensions are totally unheard of, maybe a future device more powerful than the LHC could test outrageous hypotheses such as that every universe is composed of multidimensional Planck-scale "pixels". If this modified M-theory was born, we cannot only know the structures of universes, we will inevitably be able to manipulate these structures. Welcome to an age of physical godhood.

 

Again, I might be a little too biased or wishfully thinking, but perhaps, a practical application for sedenions can be found in factoring/generating/finding prime numbers, representing multi-dimensional neural networks, and predicting physical properties of all things.


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As you can see, I'm a huge nerd who'd rather write about how we can become a Type V civilization instead of study for my final exams (gotta fix that).

But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind.


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As we figured out somewhere else in this forum, I am basically incapable of understanding the hard problem of consciousness.

 

My basic position is: "who cares?" if we build a robot capable of mimicking the actions of a sentient being perfectly, then job done, whether it experiences the same vaguely defined internal experiences we do when exposed to the same situation, is mostly irrelevant if it still acts as though it did. 

 

I mean, it might be neat to know if what you feel when you see blue is the same as what your neighbour feels, or your dog, or your robot, but practically it makes very little difference. 

 

but yeah as I said, I don't think I really understand the question.  :biggrin: 


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As we figured out somewhere else in this forum, I am basically incapable of understanding the hard problem of consciousness.

 

My basic position is: "who cares?" if we build a robot capable of mimicking the actions of a sentient being perfectly, then job done, whether it experiences the same vaguely defined internal experiences we do when exposed to the same situation, is mostly irrelevant if it still acts as though it did. 

 

I mean, it might be neat to know if what you feel when you see blue is the same as what your neighbour feels, or your dog, or your robot, but practically it makes very little difference. 

 

but yeah as I said, I don't think I really understand the question.  :biggrin:

Ah, yes, Pragmatism. If I can find a good image, I might to a story on a famous Pragmatist philosopher in my thread. Or perhaps Duckism would be a better name? "If it looks like a duck..." and all?


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There is absolutely no reason to believe that we can't test our way to a "why" answer. Maybe we just need a planet sized computer, who knows.

 

 

 You cannot devise a scientific experiment that proves or disproves the existence of God. You cannot devise an experiment that proves the validity of dualism or monism. You cannot show that my perception of color is the same as yours. The only thing you can do is find a set of axioms that you believe in and work out your views on such matters by making logical deductions from these axioms.

 

All of that is just made up shit, the domain of philosophy.

 

Not that I agree in any of you but, there's a certain word missing on those sentences.

 

You cannot yet devise a scientific experiment that proves or disproves the existence of God.

 

You cannot yet devise an experiment that proves the validity of dualism or monism.

 

You cannot yet show that my perception of color is the same as yours.

 

The only thing you can do now is find a set of axioms that you believe in and work out your views on such matters by making logical deductions from these axioms.

 

I planned on linking pages to the words I added but wifi service in my country is getting shittier by the moment.


As you can see, I'm a huge nerd who'd rather write about how we can become a Type V civilization instead of study for my final exams (gotta fix that).

But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind.


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I am doing a project on what mankind's greatest future achievement milestones are.

Here's what I've come up with so far.

-First man on Mars

-First fusion reactor

-Space elevator

-True artificial intelligence

-Faster than light communications

-Faster than light travel

I have 6 so far. Can someone give me 9 more ideas so I can have 15? I'm totally stumped. I'm thinking their are many obscure or not thought about accomplishments out their.

-Evolving (thanks to technology and culture) to the point that we can control our thoughts and emotions instead of being at their mercy. 

 

-Lab-grown meat (will end the practice of killing billions of animals per year for food)

 

-Widespread use of human genetic engineering



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I will wait for links, but some problems are fundamentally unsolvable. Take the three body problem as an example, or the halting problem. Obviously, any reasonable person will concede that no amount of scientific progress could solve these.






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