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I think after mind uploading things will get diffrent and idea about "kids" will be totally diffrent, or very concept won't make sense. You'll probably be able to duplicate/split your conciousness at will to perform multiple tasks simultaneously. Instead of kids and evolution you'll just upgrade yourself, possibly create copies to increase chances of survival. They'll go through some kind of evolution equivalent.
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Top ten transhumanist technologies
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:42 PM
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 05:47 AM
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Splitting your personality? How and why would you do that? If people really can be uploaded into a computer without being killed in the process or just creating a clone, why would they want to create another person that would have to die after a calculation was done?
It just makes me wonder how a consciousness and a person can be intact as a file on a computer.
It just makes me wonder how a consciousness and a person can be intact as a file on a computer.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 09:03 AM
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Not necessarly killed. Some kind of fusion would be an option. Imagine you split yourself in two identical copies. Each of you reads diffrent book. After reading you two fuse again. You're one person again, but in time required to read one book you've read and remember two.Splitting your personality? How and why would you do that? If people really can be uploaded into a computer without being killed in the process or just creating a clone, why would they want to create another person that would have to die after a calculation was done?
Same way set of arranged neurons can be a person.It just makes me wonder how a consciousness and a person can be intact as a file on a computer.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 04:21 PM
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I understand that, and maybe once you are digital you could do that. What I don't understand is how we would get all the biological data and neurons moved over into a computer without killing the first copy (biological) or just creating a seperate concious in the computer.
I would want to plug myself into the computer and wake up in it, rather than plug myself in, die and have someone claim they woke up. It would be impossible to tell from an outside observer.
I would want to plug myself into the computer and wake up in it, rather than plug myself in, die and have someone claim they woke up. It would be impossible to tell from an outside observer.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 05:52 PM
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Separate counciousness in the computer seems most safe and reasonable way. I mean, I hope once we this technology killing of biological self won't be build-in part of process 
I think once it's there you'd plug yourself in and have 50% to be still your biological self and 50% to wake up as digital version. And that perspective, while I dream of living long enough to see mind uploading technology, is scary as hell. I wonder if it's clear what I mean by that - I bet such process would be "just" copying one's mind into computer, so at moment of upload you are doubled/cloned instantly.
I think once it's there you'd plug yourself in and have 50% to be still your biological self and 50% to wake up as digital version. And that perspective, while I dream of living long enough to see mind uploading technology, is scary as hell. I wonder if it's clear what I mean by that - I bet such process would be "just" copying one's mind into computer, so at moment of upload you are doubled/cloned instantly.
"I walk alone and do no evil, having only a few wishes, just like an elephant in the forest."
"Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and you weep alone."
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 06:27 PM
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Craven and SG-1,you guys didn't understand nothing!Did you read the 2120 posts?It's said that mind uploading won't duplicate your brain,it will just substitute every atom/molecule of your brain by a synthetic one using picotechnology.
It's so difficult to understand?
It's so difficult to understand?
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 08:01 PM
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Craven and SG-1,you guys didn't understand nothing!Did you read the 2120 posts?It's said that mind uploading won't duplicate your brain,it will just substitute every atom/molecule of your brain by a synthetic one using picotechnology.
It's so difficult to understand?
That may be to soon, anyway that would mean we need to know everything about neurons and the brain. We would need to artificially create an exact replica of the biological brain's functions in an artificial nueron. Think about this, the whole point of creating an artificial brain is to get rid of the biological parts such as the chemical reactions vs electrical and digital information. We would need an artifical, digital neuron that would be compatible with a biological neuron so that we can "soak up" our neurons into artifical ones.
Most people still think that replacing individual neurons that would work in conjuntion with biological ones until no biological ones are left, would still eventually kill the person, although I do not. I just think it wold be the one of, or the most difficult scientific achievments to that date.
I don't believe in blindly predicting things in the future and using a "deus ex machina" by saying "well this problem will be fixed in the future .. and I will live to see it"
Edited by SG-1, 11 March 2012 - 08:10 PM.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:16 PM
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It's so difficult to understand?
Seems you don't understand difference between prediction from www.futuretimeline.net and current state of knowledge and/or other predictions.
"I walk alone and do no evil, having only a few wishes, just like an elephant in the forest."
"Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and you weep alone."
"Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and you weep alone."
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