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Poll: enact population control? (17 member(s) have cast votes)

enact population control?

  1. yea (7 votes [41.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

  2. nay (10 votes [58.82%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 58.82%

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how would you vote for a population control mechanism? No political build up, glorification, or terror, 95% kill rate, under 1 hour execution time, single individuals in milliseconds and unbeknownst to us, completely random and evenly distributed geographically.
 
Arguments for: technology is near equivalence to the human mind and body. exploitation is still rampant and political/economical change is deliberately slow. see corruption data in world happiness report. compare humans to other species, whales, dolphins, elephant, other primates. Fat people get on a treadmill when they need to lose weight.
 


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Argument against:  moral bankruptcy at its worse.

 

Why don't we work on increasing the carrying capacity of the planet...or would that be too much work for some of you?


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If we could find some way to control the growing population without actively killing out the people we already have, (such as implementing strict birth control methods on a global scale, et cetera,) I'd be completely for it. 


Completely redpilled.

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I'd agree with population control so long as the people implementing it were fair and humane, which probably makes it impossible. 

 

IMO, the most effective population control measures would be making contraceptives (including abortion pills) and abortions free, and ending various legal and cultural barriers to women getting educations and jobs. 

 

Taking it a step farther, I think the government should pay women between 17 and 35 to get birth control implants (e.g. - IUDs) installed in their bodies. Every year they had it in, they would get $1,000, tax-free. The investment would pay for itself many times over. 

 

I don't agree with killing adults in the name of population control, and I don't think we're close to needing to do that anyway. 


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As humans we are made to have kids. It is one of the most joyous things that can happen to anyone. The right to procreate is exactly that- a right. I won't even entertain the idea of indiscrimate culling as a "solution" to our problems.

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I'd agree with population control so long as the people implementing it were fair and humane...

 

I don't agree with killing adults in the name of population control, and I don't think we're close to needing to do that anyway. 

 

I'm a little worried by the way you specified "adults"...



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I'd agree with population control so long as the people implementing it were fair and humane...

 

I don't agree with killing adults in the name of population control, and I don't think we're close to needing to do that anyway. 

 

I'm a little worried by the way you specified "adults"...

 

"Adults" in my usage means anyone who has already emerged from a uterus. 



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I'd agree with population control so long as the people implementing it were fair and humane...

 

I don't agree with killing adults in the name of population control, and I don't think we're close to needing to do that anyway. 

 

I'm a little worried by the way you specified "adults"...

 

"Adults" in my usage means anyone who has already emerged from a uterus. 

 

Technically, anyone who has not emerged from the uterus is still a fetus and not a person, so you could just say people.


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I'd agree with population control so long as the people implementing it were fair and humane...

 

I don't agree with killing adults in the name of population control, and I don't think we're close to needing to do that anyway. 

 

I'm a little worried by the way you specified "adults"...

"Adults" in my usage means anyone who has already emerged from a uterus. 

 

That's a broad definition! but I'm definitely relieved to hear it!



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I'm huge proponent of diversity and complexity. I dont like misanthropes. People who think others should die for their own comfort deserve to die themselves.



I'd agree with population control so long as the people implementing it were fair and humane...

I don't agree with killing adults in the name of population control, and I don't think we're close to needing to do that anyway.

I'm a little worried by the way you specified "adults"...
"Adults" in my usage means anyone who has already emerged from a uterus.
I believe pedophiles also follow this definition.
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Not that it really matters since a large portion of the global population will die by the turn of the century due to rampant climate change, resource scarcity and wars, and general overconsumption.
Completely redpilled.

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I'm huge proponent of diversity and complexity. I dont like misanthropes. People who think others should die for their own comfort deserve to die themselves.
 

 

 

I'd agree with population control so long as the people implementing it were fair and humane...

I don't agree with killing adults in the name of population control, and I don't think we're close to needing to do that anyway.

I'm a little worried by the way you specified "adults"...
"Adults" in my usage means anyone who has already emerged from a uterus.
I believe pedophiles also follow this definition.

 

Don't be a jerk. 



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I think the best form of population control would be prevention. Most people won't have more kids if they can't afford it. A free market, without any (or very little) welfare, would be the best solution. People in the low end of the IQ distribution shouldn't be rewarded for having kids with government programs. If this was the case, OTHER government programs, and they would definitely be government programs, such as sterilization, would be unnecessary. And if people really fell on hard times, charities could help them, but just enough that they don't abuse other people's generosity.

 

After all the programs of the last 70 years, what I honestly could see happening to get rid of the excess of people, is that the government might simply stage another war, and put people on the front lines, those that they want to dispose of. An alternative if government continues to expand, and we go full out communist, is that people who are unemployed are simply sent to gulags and worked to death. Letting people starve also might happen. Whatever happens, nature will find a way to correct itself, but prevention through the free market would have probably been the most humane solution.



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Well governments usually send the poorest people to war, that's just standard procedure these days. 

 

The truth is that most western countries have populations which are only barely growing, and often, if you don't include immigration, they are shrinking. As standards of living and education increase, people have more to do in their lives and careers.

 

In a culture where education continues to 22 or 23 because everyone gets a degree then the earliest someone will make the choice to settle down and have kids Is probably 24 or 25 and many people will wait till mid 30s to get their career off the ground etc. In a culture where people leave school at 16 they'll have 2 kids before they hit 20, and keep on going from there.

 

Availability of contraception is a big deal too, and if women are given final say on when they have kids, they tend to go with lower numbers than in societies where the man decides. The male part of creating children is much faster and more fun than the female part. 






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