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[Laurellien]

You're the ones who tried to conquer Jordan and who supported the invasion of Kuwait by the dictator of Iraq, and the ones holding the world to ransom over international transport routes.

[TheVoice]

In fact, Indonesia queries why the illegitimate military regime in Burma has been granted recognition by this chamber, especially now that the elected Premier is back in Rangoon?

[Laurellien]

The Indonesian representative makes a good point. Who let this insane coolie in and what has he done with the real representative?

Edited by Laurellien, 29 May 2012 - 08:30 AM.

[Al-Thawra]

We acted defensively against Jordan, and as the Hashemite monarch fled the country we sought a referendum to decide its future politics. We later agreed to organise a further plebiscite upon the Hashemite's return, but they later rescinded on this promise. We support Iraq's historic claim to Kuwait, and oppose the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few illegitimate monarchs within a 'state' created by colonial powers.

The actions of the United Arab Republic regarding the Suez Canal are in accordance with Article X of the Constantinople Convention.

[Laurellien]

Ha! Defensively against Jordan? I think that King Hussein is a wise enough man not to attack the most militarist power in Africa. As to the referendum, no promise was made by the government of Jordan, it was only made by the UAR and the USA. You're truly a hypocrite if you think that your crude attempt at empire building and your carving up of a sovereign nation is anything BUT imperialist!
You also seem to be contradicting yourself, if Iraq is a state created by colonial powers from the remnants of the Ottoman Empire, then surely it has no legitimate claim to Kuwait. At least, no more of a legitimate claim than Turkey has to Egypt.

[Al-Thawra]

The UAR acted defensively to protect its ally, Iraq, and because the HKOJ had been collaborating for many years with the Zionists. Whilst it is accepted that it was a mistake not to obtain the agreement of the Hashemites, it's clear from the reaction of a populace that a referendum would have been a sensible compromise from them.

Iraq is not a state created by colonial powers- it has a claim of legitimacy based upon the legacy of Mesopotamia, Babylon and the three Ottoman vilayets. Kuwait, on the otherhand, was occupied by the British and has no legitimacy claim beyonds its imperialist backers. It is the view of the UAR that Iraq was responding to the will of the people by seeking to unite the historic nation.

However, the UAR stresses that it has entered ceasefire negotiations with the West and is willing to recognise the territorial jurisdiction of the House of Hashim in Jordan and the House of Sabah in Kuwait, although we remain commited to supporting their transition to democracy at a future date. In return, the West has pledged the withdrawal of occupying forces from states which border the UAR, pending resolution of the war in Iraq.

[Laurellien]

No, you acted to aid the Iraqi coup and to extend their illegitimate rule to Jordan. Last I checked, there still existed a state of war between Jordan & Israel, you should get your facts straight. The "reaction of the populace" is no more than a rabble bribed with Egyptian gold and wine, the spontaneous reaction to your invasion by the rising of Jordanian monarchists is far more indicative of the will of the people.

Oh dear god, you're using ancient states that existed 500 years before the birth of Mohammad to justify your imperialism? Well as the representative of a state that existed 1500 years before Mohammad, during the time of the Old Testament, praised by the holy book, I welcome such a principle, so long as you mean to immediately have Egypt and Syria rejoin the same Persian Empire that ruled them under the Cyrus the Great! You have to accept that Qasim is no Nebuchadnezzar, and you're no Ramesses II. My head of state though? My head of state is the Shah.

It is not the position of the Persian government to comment on ongoing peace negotiations in the UN.

Edited by Laurellien, 29 May 2012 - 12:02 PM.

[Al-Thawra]

Your grasp of the facts confuses me more and more. At no point has the UAR sought to extend Iraqi rule into Jordan, in fact the proposal to include that in a plebiscite was only ever brought up by the West. The state of war between Jordan and the Zionist entity has for many years been a mere formality, and it is common knowledge in the Arab world that the Hashemites have been holding meetings with the Zionists to coordinate actions against revolutionary democratic governments. The tiny royalist resistance, which has been propped up by the British, is nothing compared to the massive upswell of anger at the failure of the Hashemites to hold a plebiscite. The UAR admits that it supported campaigning in Jordan in favour of a republican vote, but denies any accusation that "gold and wine" was involved at any stage.

We refer to Mesopotamia and Babylon on the basis that those are states which actually existed at some point prior to the coming of the British. More important, of course, is the historic Ottoman vilayets. The point is that whereas Iraq has some claim to legitimacy (of course, qawmiyya is far greater a force than wataniyya), supported by the will of the Iraqi/"Kuwaiti" people to form a united revolutionary state, the monarchist-colonialists do not.

If the people of Egypt and Syria cried out for the rule of the incompetent Persian Shah, which of course they would not do, then perhaps your argument would stand up to scrutiny. We cannot, though, expect Tehran to understand self-determination whilst their government is chosen by the United States. How long will you last if you try to take some real control over your economy? No longer than King Saud and Mossadegh, I expect.

[Laurellien]

You can bluster all you want, but we know what the Iraqi dictatorship was planning with you all along, and we will not be fooled by your lies now. Ah, so if the state of war is a mere formality, then why have you not concluded a peace yet? The royalist resistance in fact came from a groundswell of loyal Jordanians, uncorrupted by your bribery and gifts, and unwilling to role over in the face of your imperialist aggression. The present trouble is nothing more than the hollow rage of those paid to be angry by Nasser's spies and agitators.

Forgive me if I am massively wrong here, but did not Persia also exist before the coming of the British? For that matter, it existed before the coming of the Timurids, the Mongols, the Turks, the Arabs, the Romans, yay even before the Greeks. Iraq was a part of the Ottoman Empire, and before that was under the rule of either Persia or one of the various Sunni caliphates. And last I hecked, the Kuwaiti people played little role in having the military dictatorship perform a coup in Iraq and then the annexation of Kuwait. Again, you deliberate misrepresent as "the will of the people" what is actually "the whims of those guys I enjoy drinking beer with".

You really are deaf if you think that the people of Iraq were crying out for a military dictatorship to replace lawful rule by the descendants of the prophet, or that the people of Jordan cried out to be invaded by a jumped-up Egyptian military dictator with a Napoleon Complex, or that the people of Kuwait wanted to suffer Iraqi invasion and have their independence abolished at the hands of Qasim. Persia has real control over its economy, that is how we can afford our new infrastructure and investments, and democratic reforms.

[Al-Thawra]

You would be better off, and so would your people, if you were capable of understanding very basic concepts. The UAR did not coordinate at all with the Iraqi government in acting against Hashemite aggression, and had no interest in doing so. Peace was not negotiated between the Zionists and the Hashemites, although for all intents and purposes it existed, because to do so would be political suicide and would make the monarch even more unpopular. A realistic portrayal of the civil war is that there is strong feeling on both side, with reactionaries and revolutionaries each forming a legitimate section of the population.

The UAR believes that a legitimate historical claim and popular will are the conditions for the establishment or unification of states. Whilst Arab intellectuals consider Kuwait to be an integral part of Iraq, and we believe there is a democratic basis for that, it has been UAR policy from the beginning to support a Kuwaiti plebiscite in the manner of the one conducted in Jordan. If you would like to conduct a plebiscite in the UAR on whether to resurrect the Persian Empire then you may go ahead, but I will not be funding it. The UAR has at no point questioned the legitimacy of the Iranian state where it exists and where people possess that identity, although we contend that the people would be better served with a democratic government.

The Iraqi revolution possessed huge support, much like the Egyptian and Syrian revolutions. There also exists a significant portion of the Jordanian population, which we cannot assess because the Hashemites and West are unwilling to ask them, that supports unity within the UAR or independence as a republic. Is Iran allowed to nationalise its oil? Would independent Kuwait have been? Saudi Arabia tried it, and Iran did so also once, and the reaction from the West has not been favourable.

[Laurellien]

And if you expect us to believe that, then you're dumber than your education system would suggest. For all intents and purposes peace also exists between the UAR and the Zionists, so you have no basis to throw accusations at Jordan. Although we do not concede as to the nature of the conflict in Jordan, we are happy that you acknowledge that large numbers of Jordanians are behind the monarchy.

I should inform delegates unfamiliar with Egypt's government that the word "democratic" has a different meaning over there. The delegate from Egypt is referring to the democratic system whereby a coup overthrows a lawful government and then the architect of the coup betrays his conspirators, overthrows them and then, although he takes on the mantle of president, feels no need to contest any elections, bans all political parties, and proceeds to try and overthrow other lawful governments too.

You call these events revolutions. Each and every one was a coup d'etat by high ranking military officers, greedy for power.

Iran is allowed to nationalise its oil. We have chosen not to do anything so rash, instead buying shares in AIOC legally and responsibly, so now more and more oil revenue flows into Iran's coffers. You must understand that in politics, one needs subtlety and tact, and the ability to compromise now for gains later. He would understand that if he wasn't representing the increasingly isolated leader of an increasingly isolated country.

Edited by Laurellien, 29 May 2012 - 10:57 AM.

[Al-Thawra]

I'm not sure exactly what evidence you expect me to produce of Hashemite-Zionist collaboration. It is simply common knowledge.

Since I accepted the position of the presidency, there has rarely been a period in which imperialists have not directly threatened my life and the lives of my people. Despite this, the UAR has carried out radical decentralising reforms, and in the last six months entered extensive negotiations with the leadership of the larger opposition parties regarding moves towards multi-party elections. Arab intellectuals believe that democracy is rather more substantive than what is found in the West, and some are arguing in favour of a more participatory system, but at present we are seeking to legalise the opposition groups so long as they refrain from violent conduct.

The UAR has been commited for a number of years now to a transition towards full democracy, which is not found in any of the reactionary Arab monarchies, but it has to be respected that during war-time these transitions have to be slow and careful. The world well recalls the suspension of true democratic relations in the UK during the Second World War.

Iran is rewarding and compensating the imperialist powers for their violent and colonialist historic behaviour. The UAR recognises Iranian sovereignty over its domestic resources and is disappointed that it feels the need to dance for the puppetmaster Kennedy.

[Laurellien]

Oh for goodness sake! If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes "common knowledge", we're not as credulous as you would hope here, proof or it isn't happening.

Since you accepted the position of presidency? Tell us, from whom did you accept it? Oh that's right, nobody. You stabbed your co-conspirators in the back because they weren't going to let you govern the country through them and then seized the position yourself!

"Imperialists" as you call them have no ill feeling against your people, only you, the dictator.

As to your claims of radical decentralisation, I am astounded. You call annexing Syria, nationalising private assets and banning opposition parties decentralising? Give us a break and at least do us the courtesy of not lying to the UN.

Pertaining to opposition parties, if you think that violent conduct is a reason to be excluded from participation in government, then why haven't you and your entire military junta resigned already?

If people like you and Qasem gave your lawful kings, to whom you swore fealty, the chance to implement the reforms they were trying to, rather than dishonouring your oaths and stabbing them in the back, then you would find democracy in Arab monarchies. I think we just witnessed a freudian slip there. Now we see that you want to put Egypt in an eternal state of war to keep from giving up power forever. During the second world war, the UK government invited all of the opposition to take part in the government, so I don't know what you are talking about.

Persia is aided in her struggle against fascist and socialist dictatorship by many allies, the Shah dances on the puppet strings of nobody.

[LowLevelFunctionary]

The government of Iran is full of serpents who dance to the tune of Satan. The most notable serpent, the Shah, is bringing death and injustice to the entire region, but it is the Iraqi people who are particularly feeling the full force of his evil. For these crimes against humanity and another Islamic nation, he will pay for eternity in the blazing depths of hell. God willing, the wise and noble Iranian people will send him there soon themselves.

[Laurellien]

We do Allah's work in fighting the demons of Iraqi socialism who have cast down the family of the Prophet (peace be upon him) from their lawful rule of the realm, and who have brought war to the Middle East, sowing death and destruction in their wake. The Iraqi regime is a hydra, its front a thicket of serpent heads. We will send these desert djinn back to the hells that spawned them. Insh'allah we will succeed in this great task of deposing your Yazidite regime and bringing peace and prosperity to the Middle East.

[LowLevelFunctionary]

The Republic of Iraq calls upon the international community to demand some authority from the United Nations. Where is the Secretary-General? It is he and the UN officials who must demand that law and order is restored to the region. Why have these supposedly great powers been left unchecked to do as they please? We demand an official response from the Secretary-General on this matter, after all we're a member nation, and our voice - as well as that of the United Arab Republic - must be heard!

[Laurellien]

The government of Persia has reached an agreement with the Popular Front of Kurdistan to maintain peace in Persia, and introduce democracy. One of the terms of this peace is that the PFK decommissions its weapons in front of UN weapons inspectors. I would like to invite UN inspectors to witness the decommissioning of the PFK weapons.

[Laurellien]

Any objections?

[Time_Traveller]

No objections from the country of Israel.

[Laurellien]

In that case I move a motion that the UN sends such inspectors to oversee the decommissioning of PFK weapons.

Edited by Laurellien, 08 June 2012 - 02:54 PM.