You dont seem only ignorant but also show very little intelligence and thats under the eyes of all. Therefore this is my last reply to you as it is a real waiste of time. "
uhm, first of all i didnt say that i seem ignorant. i said that YOU are ignorant. and its great to see you shut your trap (and hopefully, also realize how you ruin what seemed to be a great topic in futuretimeline in favor of your women-hating opinions) because it only make you look like a fool more and more.
Not only you don't know much about Europe and Italy( you never been here if not for a very short period) but you also insult my culture and highly speculate about things you don't know. Furthermore the reason I suggested you to read about European History is because, we were talking of the German holocaust..
Nope, the facts speaks for itself. I gave you sources as to why i said that italian society is a big men's world, not just some highly opinionated assumptions like you do. and sorry if it seemed that i insulted you. but you will definitely feel insulted when your beliefs are opposed with hurtful truths. a spade is a spade is a spade. you're culture is highly mysoginistic relative to other countries in europe. and judgin from your comments, you are a mysoginist.
and I am not a bigot I am acutlly a very open-mind and if we talk about bigotery have a read to your insultin message based on prejudice and things you dont know directly.
yeah? "im not racist, i just think that most blacks live in the ghetto neighborhood". right. classic defense card.
Here I stop for the respect of the other users and for the intellectual content of this forum. In any case just for other pepole info I will give a more precise image of the woman in italy. The data is accurate since it comes from the Italian Minister of Equal Opportuities.
The survery that the previous user posted may be based from the the Global Gender Gap Index and has been criticized because it is designed to detect only the areas in which women are below par. In support of this thesis shows that in the same document is shown that if, in a given field, both detected a difference in favor of women and therefore to the detriment of man's judgment will be given "perfect equality" and therefore will not be detected reverse inequality-woman man. This methodology makes it, for many, this document useful to consider only those countries where gender inequality is very high and present in all areas (thus excluding Italy). Actully I find that rank pathetic and really not accurate. Italy comes after Moldavia after an entire generation of Moldavian women has been devastated the trafficking of women ( prostitution)? or Italy after China that with its single child policy as killed many female infants? and Brunei which is governed by a Sultane with an harem is on top of Brazil which is governed by a young progresisst?? and how can they find such an accurate data in such a large issues, what is the precise methodolgy of how this survay started. For such a vast analysis is hard to find precise information about every specifi country. I am high skeptiacal that a rank could be made.Moreover In a country is not enough to know if there are good laws about women but to see if laws are applied this is another failure of this data.
yes, deal with it. its hard to swallow having italy behind china and brunei in terms in terms of countries where women are living better or worse. however if you wanna argue on this, you can always complain and tell these people that the factors they consider are incorrect and thus have it replaced with your own major factors.
But lets get this straight and see italy with closer lenses.
In Italy, in law, women have equal social dignity and equal rights with respect to the male gender. These three principles are guaranteed by the Constitution.
The female education, especially at the start of this century has reach very high levels.Women also represent 65% of graduates . Currently, women have greater access and facilities in the world of work at the end of the curriculum (degree) In addition, young women who choose to be single reach senior positions at the same percentage of their male counterparts under the same conditions .
From the viewpoint of the university and the labor of the young Italian women are now better educated than men,
The data show that female workers seem to be oriented to the work less strenuous and less dangerous than men. The rate of death at work is about 11 points per million, the male stands about 86 units per million . In addition, employed women who work at night are 16% against 25% of their male colleagues. The women who work the night they occupy only 7% versus 14% of their male colleagues.
However, italian women seems to have less free time compared to some other members of the EU and work wages are slightly lowers than men in some public sectors and only reforms are needed for the issue of maternity.
This is some important data of the women conditions in Italy. Many have just prejudices about italy and being a parthriarcal culture that steams from movies, ingornace and for the reputation of italian men of being womanizer. Recently the " scandles" of our ex- prime minister contributed to give this image of italy but these are women that choose to go with wealth men to obtain careers.
Also I want to remember that no one takes of the image of man in the world and talk only about women. But in commercials men are often represented to do manual jobs, or being in war, rarely smiling. This makes feel some man like slaughter meat. There is little debate or observation over this and the male condition.
ok, so what exactly where you trying to say here? spoiler alert: most advanced countries and even 3rd world countries have the same constitutional right as above. we are talking in relative terms here if you miss the point. italy is still below other european countries and even behind some other seemingly "backward" and third world societies in terms of women living better. the key word there is relative
if you still miss it.
In conclusion, talking about bigotry, I am not a petulant child to say my country is better than yours or my institutions are better than yours as every county have positive and negative side and I would like the various nations to solve human problems togheter. but before critizing my state, America has still death penalty ( which would prevent it to join in the EU) It has one of the worst medical system in the first world and still the black pepole do not have same opprtunities in many segments in society. Even tho I dont usually judge an entire nation just by few elements ( this is very stupid to do so) but the previous user did so by critizing a whole enviroment in where I live.
who cares, im not an american.
Furthermore, colonization in most of colonized countries had very little if no influence on gender relations. What does have to do the colonial gender influence with were civil rights started reamains a mystery to me.
hehehe, and you still think you aren't ignorant?
Edited by Zeitgeist123, 08 May 2012 - 01:56 AM.
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