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[CyberMisterBeauty]

People,how do you think the policional and prisional systems will be in the future?I personaly think they will be similar to Power Rangers or Ultraman,or other japanese anime.The police will use picotechnology/femtotechnology to radically change their clothes instantanially,they will use plasma/laser weapons to fight their enemies,will use antigravity and cybernetic upgrades to give them special powers.You must realize that of course,these things could happen only after 2100.

The criminals could be mad scientists who wanna conquer the world,enhanced people who use their abilities to commit crimes,bad androids/non-biologicals,genetic engineered monsters who could be rejected by society and then they'd begin to commit crimes as well,or any being that likes to "play" with unlawful technologies or enhancements.Imagine watching tv and heard about police using laser weapons fighting monsters.It would be pretty nice.By the way,imagine a shooting using plasma weapons!Pretty cool!

In the future technology could be so advanced that dreadnoughts and the use of giant robots like Megazords of Power Rangers could be a common feature used by police.And the crminals could use the same technologies to fight the police too.The only probably impossible thing is how to make the enemies grow giant like in Power Rangers.

I think the prisonal system as we know will desappear and will be replaced by reversible biostasis,at least for huge sentences,For exemple,if someone commited a severe crime and was about to spend 100 years in prison,instead of living inside a prison as nowadays,in the future this "being" could be put in biostasis and wake up only 100 years later.This wouldn't make any psycological problem to the person since in biostasis it will be like sleeping I guess.

The anime shows somethings that might be impossible,like,for exemple in power rangers time force they transform the criminals into little puppets and then they freeze them in a machine.When they are about to revive they put the same puppets equivalent to the mutants in a machine and then they become back to normal.

In power rangers SPD,they kept the mosters in cards!Pretty crazy!

Or much better,prison would no longer exist.What do you think?

Do you think police in the future will be more like Power Rangers or they will be more like Judge Dreadd?(The latter is closer to reality)

[Italian Ufo]

Well when in the future? In the far future we may not even need the police anymore. Also Rehabilitation of deviant behaviour may be treated with genetic therapies and there won't be the need to prison pepole for long time if not at all. at least for some types of offenders.
The studies on relation between genetics and crime are recent and need further confirmation. But I won't be suprise if they develop some sort of genetic treatment in the future for offenders.

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Also look at the crimes today. Sometimes I ask myself who is the real criminal? The robber or the institutions and the economic system that with absurd policies put pepole in poverty? When we will have an economic system similar to Venus Project, crimes will be drasticly reduced.
To answer your question I think the Power Ranger thing will be just a fictional possibilty.

[NightWolf235]

Forget Time Force, Power Rangers SPD for the win!
If I'm gonna be stuck in anything, I want to be in a trading card!

Edited by NightWolf235, 03 June 2012 - 12:05 AM.

[Time_Traveller]

What about a prision on the moon like in the start of MIB 3.

[Logically Irrational]

What about a prision on the moon like in the start of MIB 3.

If we ever have an off planet prison, which seems unlikely in the current form, I suppose the moon would be the most likely. It will be the place we will most likely develop first, so if any place has a chance of hosting a prison, I guess it would be the moon. Again, I highly doubt it.

[Italian Ufo]

But what's the need to build a prison on the moon?

[SG-1]

In a perfect world, death sentences are not ever used and prisons are only to separate the jerks from the lesser jerks.

Of course serving time makes you reflect and change. So I can see a jail in 2100 using VR to place them in rehab with AIs doing the rehab. Moon prisons would be for the lifers. I know some people are impossible to fix. I don't like to think about that since I understand no one is a criminal in their own mind. I hope that those people will benefit from medical procedures to fix their brains and enough time to heal their mental problems.

[Italian Ufo]

In a perfect world, death sentences are not ever used and prisons are only to separate the jerks from the lesser jerks.

Of course serving time makes you reflect and change. So I can see a jail in 2100 using VR to place them in rehab with AIs doing the rehab. Moon prisons would be for the lifers. I know some people are impossible to fix. I don't like to think about that since I understand no one is a criminal in their own mind. I hope that those people will benefit from medical procedures to fix their brains and enough time to heal their mental problems.

Yes but the costs would be tremendous. I mean it would be cheeper to build prisons in Antartica or in Northen Canada territories for example. Eventually prisoners could study there while building things and even study.

[SG-1]

I think it would be cheaper to hook up people in VR without worrying about prison space. If we believe we can use VR within 2100, by the next century it would be cheap to just connect them to a VR room and not allow them to disconnect before they are done.

Keeping a facility up in a remote part of the world and expect them to just comply and learn would be stupid. So keep them until they can realize it themselves. Let them talk to someone who has graduated already and left prison.

Minimum time, kept until they can change - if they can. Its a naive idea that is based on a government that is in your best interest and is wiling to change with the times.

[Italian Ufo]

I think it would be cheaper to hook up people in VR without worrying about prison space. If we believe we can use VR within 2100, by the next century it would be cheap to just connect them to a VR room and not allow them to disconnect before they are done.

Keeping a facility up in a remote part of the world and expect them to just comply and learn would be stupid. So keep them until they can realize it themselves. Let them talk to someone who has graduated already and left prison.

Minimum time, kept until they can change - if they can. Its a naive idea that is based on a government that is in your best interest and is wiling to change with the times.

No, I understood that you were in favour of moon prisons( they are expensive as I said). Thats what I didnt understand. I do not see the logic behind this. There is no need for moon prisons now nor in 100s of years. Even life-sentenced pepole wouldn't need prisons on the moon. What I was saying is that if you really need to isolate them.. then do it in some remote area on Earth..but still I do not understand this purpose either at least you do it to make them having do something useful for the world.
I also think that we wont achieve virtual prisons in 2100. We can not detach completely our mind from our body by then. I think such technology may belong at some point in the next century.
So, it would be ethical to impose pepole to decide to live in a digital world? and what about if prisoners can virtually escape thanks to some hackers ? and how AI can alter the mind of these pepole? would this have side effects? would this alter other aspects of pepole's personality which are not necesserly anti-social? One should think about these questions as well. We are talking about a very precise technology which it won't happen any time soon.
I also would like to say that the dignity of prisoners should be respected. Some pepole may be innocent, others may have done wrong things for the circumstances they were in. So we shouldn't put all criminals in the same pack. I also believe that it is a good psycological exercise to make them talk to someone ( both ex-prisoners and regular pepole) and not keep them completely isolated. That said, it dosent mean they would necesserly change beahaviour but at least some dignity is given.

Edited by Italian Ufo, 04 June 2012 - 07:35 AM.

[SG-1]

Dignity? How much more could you respect a prisoner by giving them a chance to change away from harm? Innocent people get raped in our prison systems. In 100 years I believe we would be able to detach reality and substitute it with another form. Nanotechnology will get better and better to the point in would be able to block off reality and relay a virtual one. You could do it at the base of the neck, replace part of the top spine with an implant and it can be off or on.

Life sentences would not be given lightly in my scenario. You would have chances. I assume by 2100 we have achieved immortality and can use VR. Those are all plausible by then. I guess a remote part of the world would be okay too. You had already mentioned the moon and I was replying to that. If in 2100, people can live forever, death sentences are gone and virtual reality is useable. I don't think its all that hard.

Tell me why you think VR won't be possible by the 22nd century. I admit, it is hard to do but it doesn't seem far-fetched if we can figure out how the brain perceives sight and smell and other senses. The brain is going to be studied more in-depth and real=time modeling at the smallest levels will be possible, along with simulations of areas of the brain. It would seem possible to re-create these with access to all the neurons of the brain with nanotechnology small enough to attach itself, after all, the brain is all chemicals. Hearing is completely mechanical so I think music in your head will be possible faster.

[Italian Ufo]

Dignity? How much more could you respect a prisoner by giving them a chance to change away from harm? Innocent people get raped in our prison systems.

See thats what I mean. " giving them the chance to change".
By treating prisoners horribly you make them more prone to violence and depression so once they are released there are great chances that they would either comitt suicide or murder again. If the all purpose of jail is to rehabilitate pepole than we have to give the proper means to do that.
If you read criminal chronicles than you will see that prisoners who lived in overcrowed jails were the ones who killed themself or kill other pepole once they were out. Even tho I must admitt, there are some pepole that should be hit even while in jail and that I would give them no dignity. these are the ones who dont deserve any rehabilitation.

To answer your question, I am aware that technology is growing but in my opinion especially for medicine and body studies it is going at a slow rate, I think it will take quite a bit before we get to be immoratal. Alll we may do in this century is to increase life span but not becoming immortal.
We also previously talk on another post about the possibities about mind transfer. I don't remember if you took part in that conversation. But during the discussions we highlighted some major technial and ethical dilemmas that may be hard to solve shortly. I am open to all the possibiliteas although I remain skeptical.

By the way if you are intrested in jail systems
read Discipline and Punish M.Foucault one of the greatest philosopher and social theorist of human history.
you ll find it very intresting.

Edited by Italian Ufo, 04 June 2012 - 09:45 AM.

[SG-1]

So you don't think that we will have full immersion VR by 2100? That's all I'm talking about. Jails would be nicer and smaller and cost less with "mind prisons" even if the convicted don't live forever.

[Italian Ufo]

So you don't think that we will have full immersion VR by 2100? That's all I'm talking about. Jails would be nicer and smaller and cost less with "mind prisons" even if the convicted don't live forever.

I remain very skeptical about this possibility. Having virtual prisons by that date it means that we already figure out how to become immortal with technology and solved ethical issues such as copy vs transfer- transfer vs suicide.

[SG-1]

I disagree. If not for the technology existing, for the immortal part. I don't think we will be immortal either I just think we don't need to be immortal to have mind prisons.

Also, I am not talking about uploading their minds I am talking about connecting their brains directly to a computer. If you have a nanobot on each neuron, or route all the sensory information through an artificial vertebrae at the C1 it should be able to shut off external or selective stimuli and replace it with artificial stimuli.

You could get the surgery done and have the actual device remove the pain or discomfort of having surgery. It could be the ultimate AR making food better, perfect music and displays that only you can see without any contacts or glasses.


We still need to figure out how to read brain waves and maybe everyone is different and the machine would need to be calibrated for each individual.

Edited by SG-1, 06 June 2012 - 10:56 PM.

[Italian Ufo]

I disagree. If not for the technology existing, for the immortal part. I don't think we will be immortal either I just think we don't need to be immortal to have mind prisons.

Also, I am not talking about uploading their minds I am talking about connecting their brains directly to a computer. If you have a nanobot on each neuron, or route all the sensory information through an artificial vertebrae at the C1 it should be able to shut off external or selective stimuli and replace it with artificial stimuli.

You could get the surgery done and have the actual device remove the pain or discomfort of having surgery. It could be the ultimate AR making food better, perfect music and displays that only you can see without any contacts or glasses.


We still need to figure out how to read brain waves and maybe everyone is different and the machine would need to be calibrated for each individual.

Than you have to be more specific. but the procedure you describe would be full of other problems. wouldnt you need a room to keep the physical body of the prisoner? If we are talking about saving costs than it may save some but it may not as police would still need you to survey your body for legal and security purposes. I also don't think that you can do this procedure from home because
for career criminals, home imprisonments wouldnt be appropiated. How about the observation of luck of side effects that may be caused by connecting the
brain to a compituer. How your brain would react having nanobots connected to compitures for many years? would the person start to suffer of allucinations? irrascibility? and the criminal being born in a biological enviroment does he\she accept
to live in a virtual world? Can we force that? Moreover, is it a virtual jail the same psycological experience as a real one? what about artophy and arthrtis which may developed for luck of movment of the joints? The body needs to move at leas for 12 hours a day according to the Arthritis Fundation. It would cost money for bodies therapies in case the prisoners develop such problems. So I dont see the point for the reasons above. Or we either transfer the brain or we can't hava a dual existence. The only exception that it may be possible would be for small crimes that do not last longer than 3 to 6 months.

Edited by Italian Ufo, 07 June 2012 - 06:13 AM.