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[science man]

Hey guys remember those movies where the people freeze themselves so they can be re-awakened at some point in the future? Do you ability to be able to that successfully will actually become reality? I don't.

[CyberMisterBeauty]

Why?

[Alric]

I think it is entirely possible. Once we have something like wide spread use of nanabots, we can repair any damage to cells done by freezing, which means we should be able to revive people frozen with even today's methods.

[Italian Ufo]

Already now it is possible to freeze the body with some cryconservation company. We don't know when but maybe in the future the bodies that are already frozen can be "resurected".

[Logically Irrational]

It depends what you're talking about. If you're talking about freezing yourself cryogenically, then I don't know, probably. It depends on how future medicine develops, but it's hard to imagine it not being possible. If you're talking about reversible biostasis, then it's definitely possible.

[science man]

here's why I don't think it's possible. To truly freeze someone you have to stop their heart hence they're dead. If we do develop a technology to revive people from that, then can that technology also be used to revive people from the grave? If not, why? (nanobots would get rid of the fact that they're much more aged because wouldn't it repair the damaged and dead cells?)

Edited by science man, 02 June 2012 - 06:25 AM.

[Logically Irrational]

Well, there's this:

http://en.wikipedia....theoretic_death

[Time_Traveller]

I hope Cryogenics does lift off and you can sleep/freeze yourself until the right date and time, would be great for going to planets far, far away from Earth.

Edited by Time_Traveller, 02 June 2012 - 07:14 AM.

[Craven]

If freezing is done correctly and neural connections are intact, then such freezing and unfreezing should be like clinical death, probably unpleasant, but reversible.

Years ago I considered people freezing themselves as idiots with dellusions about future, but right now... I don't know, maybe they'll get last laugh

[Shimmy]

Already now it is possible to freeze the body with some cryconservation company. We don't know when but maybe in the future the bodies that are already frozen can be "resurected".

I think the ones that are done at the moment have no chance, the current freezing process destroys far too many important brain connections. Maybe if the technique improves quickly ones frozen in 5 or 10 years may be revivable.

[Alric]

It isn't a black and white subject, its a big grey area and that area is just a matter of decay. The more decay the harder it is to revive. If someone is in the grave for 10 years, they probably don't have much of a brain left. As long as your brain is mostly intact it should be possible to revive you, though the more damage the more likely you are to be missing important data.

The real advantage of cryonics is that time isn't that big of an issue. If it takes a 50 years or a 1000 as long as your brain remains in that state it doesn't really matter how long it takes, eventually they will get the technology to repair you.

[science man]

Come to think of it, if nanobots can be the equivalent of the fountain of youth why would anyone ant to freeze themselves once the nanobot technology to do that is perfected because once it is, people could just constantly have the nanobots make them younger when they got old, couldn't they?

[Alric]

They probably wouldn't, though you could still use if you wanted to freeze yourself and wake up in the future, and skip all the time between now and when you want to wake up. It is kind of like time travel. Though it probably wouldn't be to common if you removed the health reasons for it.

[science man]

Well, there's this:

http://en.wikipedia....theoretic_death

woe, cool
It makes me wonder though, if someone is dead (not due to being frozen) how long do they have before they reach that point where it's theoretically impossible to revive them?

Edited by science man, 04 June 2012 - 01:41 AM.

[Italian Ufo]

Already now it is possible to freeze the body with some cryconservation company. We don't know when but maybe in the future the bodies that are already frozen can be "resurected".

I think the ones that are done at the moment have no chance, the current freezing process destroys far too many important brain connections. Maybe if the technique improves quickly ones frozen in 5 or 10 years may be revivable.

How is that possible that the frezzing process destroys important brain connections? I am just curious about that. Companies like Alchor seems quiet honest about the possibilities and the limits of current cryonics.
And how would you improve it? For me major improvments could only occur if they start to build more cryonics centers instead of cimiteries. That would increase the chances to survive. Also another way to improve the procedure wuld be the fasten the freezing process at the time of legal death.

[Alric]

If you know you are going to die from a terminal disease that there is no treatment for they should allow you to use cryonics without having to 'die' first. Currently they will not allow you to do it while you are still alive because and its considered suicide. It is ironic that the laws that are supposed to help you live longer actually decrease your chances of survival.

[Italian Ufo]

I hear you Arlic this is a pro-life procedure. One should dispose of thier own body however they want. But how M.Foucault was saying our body are institutionalized since the moment we born.
Furthermore, in France years ago a man frozen his father into a freezer cell in his resturant to preserve his tissues. When the authroities found that out they forced him to take the bodys out of the freeze and to bury him into a cemetery. From this episode, the French parliament proclaimed cryonics illegal.

[Italian Ufo]

http://cryonics.org/whatsold.html

here I found the episode..actully it was the mother

[Craven]

It is a problematic issue from juristictional point of view. It's intetion may be pro-life, but freezing is about stopping life functions. Frozen human is essentially dead with some possibility of being revived. So it's not strange or totally wrong to treat it as suicide. I wonder if countries allowing euthanasia will be the first ones to allow freezing of terminally ill patients.

[Italian Ufo]

Yeah, but once a body is legally death, I do not understand where is the problem in preserving pepole. For example my country has a hugh Catholic tradition, but a good number of pepole have converted to Buddhism, therefore they want their body to become wax once they are dead, Despite the Pope is against this procedure, and the strong influence of the Catholic Chruch, our state guarentees to melt your body after death while it dosent allow cryonics.
I speak about Italy but I think almost all European Countries adopt the same policies.
Me as an atheist/agnostic I should grant the right to preserve my body because I do not believe in the after life and for me eternity and heaven can be only on this planet one day. Why I have to go to the US or in Russia one far day?
I think that this debate should go to the EU Court.