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[Craven]

Come on guys. It should be lot easier right now.

[Craven]

Nothing? Focus on first lines...

B C D E F G H I CB CC           
 CD CE CF CG CH CI DB  
 DC DD DE DF DG DH DI  

  J  K  L  M       N   

           J           
 CJCND  DJENG  FJHNCD  
BJENE CDJHHNCBB GJFNCD 

           K           
CBKCNI EGKBNEG FDKCNFC 
EKENB CBBKCBNIB GKEND  

           L           
DLENH  FCLBNB  GLCNG   
ELCBNEB GLGNEC DLHNCF  

           M           
HMDNE  DGMCNDG BMFNB   
DBMDNCB GMGNC FGMCFNE  

        O     P        

  CJCND  O   CJCNG  P  
 CCKENE  P   DCMENG O  
 CBLFNFB O   CEKGN8 P  


   QQ   RR   QQ   RR   
R Q  Q R  R Q  Q R  R  
 R    Q    R    Q    R 
Q R  R Q  Q R  R Q  Q  
   RR   QQ   RR   QQ   


    U   V   W   X      

           U           
 SCLG SHLG SILG SCBLB  

           V           
 SCLH SHLG SILD SCBLD  

           W           
 SCLG SHLG SILG SCBLC  

           X           
 SCLG SHLF SILE SCBLC  


 UV O    UW P    UX P  
 VU O    VW P    VX P  
 WU P    WV P    WX O  
 XU P    XV P    XW O  


WWXUWUXWVWWXUWUXWVWWXU 
XXWVXVWXUXXWVXVWXUXXWV 

Edited by Craven, 21 July 2012 - 09:16 PM.

[Craven]

*bump*

[SG-1]

I suck at cracking codes

[Livid]

B C D E F G H I CB CC
CD CE CF CG CH CI DB
DC DD DE DF DG DH DI

J K L M N
all look like the characters that make up other words. Then we are shown J K L M, which make up their own words, with N being central in all these collections or words. All I can think of is that maybe J K L M, N are shown so they can be omitted, since the top letters look like a central index of characters. The only thing I can think of is maybe converting the top 24 letters into our traditional alphabet and use JKML collections to be sorted into Os and Ps which will be the 25th and 26th characters by taking out the JKML and N letters and using the collections of characters to make the O and P characters (but this from outer space not from people who definitely speak English.) Another thing I thought from looking at the DNA representation was some kind of chemical communication, but if I was an alien I would start with Hydrogen and nothing sticks out as being Hydrogen.

[Craven]

And if we'd arrange it like that:
B C D E F G H I
CB CC CD CE CF CG CH CI
DB DC DD DE DF DG DH DI

Do you see pattern that could indicate something?

[Elen]

Could those letters be numbers? I guess the most logical assumption is that aliens would try to communicate using math language.
B C D E F G H I
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Then put one after other CB would be 21, CC 22 CD 23 CE 24 CF 25 CG 26 CH 27 CI 28
Probably wrong :s

[Craven]

Almost right. You're just missing one small thing.

Edited by Craven, 06 August 2012 - 06:04 AM.

[Elen]

There is no 9.. I came from the assumption that A is 0.. but I guess its 1. So B=2.
And now what? We have to use the first sequence to replace the letters we already know with numbers.. then figure out what J K L M are? N is distinguished and present in every J K L M sequence and almost always second to the last number.. so it stands for something constant? I just cant figure out what..

The J sequence with numbers:


J
3J3N4 4J5N7 6J8N34
2J5N5 34J88N322 7J6N34

Edited by Elen, 07 August 2012 - 03:26 AM.

[Craven]

There is no 9.. I came from the assumption that A is 0.. but I guess its 1. So B=2.

Other way around

Let's go back to your previous post:

B C D E F G H I
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Then put one after other CB would be 21, CC 22 CD 23 CE 24 CF 25 CG 26 CH 27 CI 28

It's a very good observation, it sort of makes sense but it's like jumping numbers
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22

So what if B is 0?

[Elen]

Ok If :
B C D E F G H I
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
CB CC CD CE CF CG CH CI
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
DB DC DD DE DF DG DH DI
20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27

It really bothers me that theres no 8 or 9. I feel Im missing something crucial here.

Edited by Elen, 07 August 2012 - 04:03 PM.

[Shimmy]

I'm pretty sure all aliens use base 8 maths, it's way more sensible than base 10

[Elen]

Shimmy is lightbringer !! I just had a short introduction to base 8 (Im lacking some math knowledge appearantly). It all makes sense now. As it seems if the first 3 lines are counting in base 8, the JKLM lines are equations.

[Craven]

[Elen]

J +
1+1=2 2+3=5 4+6=12
0+3=3 12+66=100 5+4=12

K -
10-1=7 35-0=35 42-1=41
3-3=0 100-10=70 5-3=2

L x
2x3=6 41x0=0 5x1=1
3x10=30 5x5=31 2x6=14

M :
6:2=3 25:1=25 0:4=0
20:2=10 5:5=1 45:14=3

O P

1+1=2 O 1+1=5 P
11-3=3 P 21:3=5 O
10x4=40 O 13-5=?(in the original here is 8?) P

Edited by Elen, 07 August 2012 - 06:44 PM.

[Craven]

Yeah I must've messed something up.

It's
ACBLFNFBAOAAACEKGN8APAZ
while it should be
ACBLFNFBAOAAACEKGNHAPAZ

10x4=40 O 13-5=4 P


EDIT AGAIN:

I also managed to mess up previous line
It should be:
11-3=3 P 11/3=3 O

I'm sorry I made some mistakes while converting initial message to base 8.
Initial version had base 7 and had least-significant-first notation. Just to make it harder for engineering students.

Edited by Craven, 07 August 2012 - 09:29 PM.

[Elen]

Hmm well.. my original idea about O and P was that they are Thruth and False indicators. I dropped it later coz equations didnt fit but with fixing the second line.. is it possible that u messed the places of O and P in line 3?

[Craven]

1+1=2 O 1+1=5 P
11-3=3 P 11:3=3 O
10x4=40 O 13-5=6 P

crap... not places, but last equation. It was meant to be wrong... As I said it's all because i rushed conversion for this forum, with 8 base. I hope there are no more mistakes after this.

[Elen]

I checked the original message now.. why would base 8 be easier than base 7? They are exactly the same for me
Anyway.. going on then No idea what the double helix is, so I'll jump it

U V W X

U
S1x5 S6x5 S7x5 S10x0

V
S1x6 S6x5 S7x2 S10x2

W
S1x5 S6x5 S7x5 S10x1

X
S1x5 S6x4 S7x3 S10x1

Edited by Elen, 07 August 2012 - 10:08 PM.

[Shimmy]

Base 7 is disgustingly inconvenient. You can't split it in any nice way without creating a horrible mess. The cool thing I find about 8 is you can half it three times and still have a whole number (With 10 you can only half it once). This just makes pretty much all maths much prettier and more sensible. Saying that I suppose base 16 could be pretty cool.

I'm assuming this is similar to why computing power seems to always work in 8's and 16's multiples?