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[kjaggard]

http://gizmodo.com/5...thing-about-you

Medical capabilities make this almost like the scanning beds of startrek medical bay.

Fully real time three dimensional scanning of objects with composition analysis to molecular levels make study and reproduction in virtual and eventually in 3D printing and manufacture much easier.

I think some people are just hell bent on doing it wrong.

[shane_allen]

I'm not really hiding anything, so don't much care if they know what I have in my pockets or what my junk looks like.

I thinks its funny that the article was focusing on the privacy issue and not the how-the-hell-does-it-work of the device.

[NightWolf235]

Why is it that every new bit of new tech or medical news I hear, I end up hearing it on Sourcefed before Future Timeline?

But on a serious note, their are some significant flaws in this. I go down to the local shooting range with my brothers and dad all the time. Let's say I went in the morning, then to the airport for a trip at noon. Would we all get pulled aside just for having traces of gunpowder on us?

[kjaggard]

you're not hiding anything that you can think of. What would your insurance company consider just cause in not paying for medical procedures such as coronary bypass? If they could generate records of your eating habits proving failure to follow medical advice to decrease coronary risk, when time came for a bypass to improve quality of life or decrease risk of heart related death, they could deny you on the grounds that the damage was self inflicted after advisment and that they are preventing you from getting bypass, they just won't insure you for it.

How about an employer who decides they can refuse to give you cost a bonus or a yearly raise because twelve times in the course of a year you came into work with sign of hangover that while not obvious, could be argued to be a job performance risk. Eventually failure to be promoted and job performance warnings based on those instances mark you as more expendable.

Those are just private uses of that sort of tech. This is essentially a drug test administered where ever and when every and is sensative to trace amounts that you could encounter unknowingly. I could ask you for change for a five and you hand me five ones and you get my five... with traces of cocaine on it. I've hypothetically used you to launder my money leaving you to take the fall for a huge drug bust that I'm fleeing from. Or blood and gunpowder residue from bumping off my boss.

Heck even walking past people using illegal substances on the sly could leave traces on you to get you investigated. And as much as we like to think that we don't fear people examining us because we have nothing to hide I've seen enough reports in the last few years of police falsely stating 'suspicion of drugs' as motive for searches that turn up no drugs but can allow incarceration long enough to find an excuse to hold you longer. I kid you not there are cases of people being arrested for resisting arrest... with no other charges. How the heck can you resist an arrest when there is not charge of arrest until you have been arrested?

I personally don't do anything conciously that I will later wish to burry and not have some folks know about me. But that's completely different from random and extensive search and lab testing of everything about you, a sort of shaperone with you at all times and subject to anticipated threat reactions and personal bias.

What do you think the odds are for a black man looking to buy an engament ring in a jewelry store to pop the question to his girlfriend on the way home from a fiends chinese new year fireworks? "We have a suspicious black male with elevated heart rate and adrenaline levels, gun powder residue, in a jewelry store requesting to look at some expensive diamonds!" They can hold someone for up to twelve hours without questioning, and after that if they can link them to say... any shooting that's occured within distance of the store in the timeframe.

It sounds deeply paranoid I know but if we aren't asking these questions and looking for potential misuses some one will find a way to misuse it. Just like some woman found a way to win a court cases from contraceptive companies because she ate contraceptive jelly on toast and it failed to work. Or the same reason your salmon fillet at the store comes with a label that says warning: contains fish.

Unscroupulous and idiotic people will find a way to make this bad for the rest of us and thus we'd best think about these things before we open the genies bottle.

[SG-1]

I go to the airport all the time and pack gel and a can of deodorant. In the last year I have never been stopped. This last trip, some prick goes through my super packed bag and finds them.

Oh no..liquids.. I'm sorry but these rules are dumb. A terrorist is not going to bring hair gel explosives. They wouldn't hinge their whole diabolical plan on the gel and deodorant. Imagine a guy getting up, opening the baggage on top of his seat. Pulling out a giant suitcase, unzipping it (all while in a cramped walkway) and taking out gel and deodorant. Then he proceeds to do the flight attendant's hair (which is an explosive mix of Old Spice and hair gel).

So yeah, they will use this for useless junk that doesn't do any good. Get used to the fact that you are scrutinized every second of the day while using anything modern or being in public.

Edited by SG-1, 11 July 2012 - 05:27 AM.

[eacao]

I go to the airport all the time and pack gel and a can of deodorant. In the last year I have never been stopped. This last trip, some prick goes through my super packed bag and finds them. Oh no..liquids.. I'm sorry but these rules are dumb. A terrorist is not going to bring hair gel explosives. They wouldn't hinge their whole diabolical plan on the gel and deodorant. Imagine a guy getting up, opening the baggage on top of his seat. Pulling out a giant suitcase, unzipping it (all while in a cramped walkway) and taking out gel and deodorant. Then he proceeds to do the flight attendant's hair (which is an explosive mix of Old Spice and hair gel). So yeah, they will use this for useless junk that doesn't do any good. Get used to the fact that you are scrutinized every second of the day while using anything modern or being in public.

Why buy deodorant when have an unlimited supply in other people's luggage?

[shane_allen]

you're not hiding anything that you can think of. What would your insurance company consider just cause in not paying for medical procedures such as coronary bypass? If they could generate records of your eating habits proving failure to follow medical advice to decrease coronary risk, when time came for a bypass to improve quality of life or decrease risk of heart related death, they could deny you on the grounds that the damage was self inflicted after advisment and that they are preventing you from getting bypass, they just won't insure you for it.

Good point, didn't think of that example. But, I'm for the public option and heavy regulation of private insurance which would eliminate that sort of crap.
All this about drug residue shouldn't be an issue either. Everyone is going to have trace amounts of substances on them, they would be looking for high levels.

I'm not saying that law enforcement agencies are perfect though and that insurance companies aren't a-holes. That's why we need to be aware of these issues and vote. Too many people don't pay attention and either don't vote or throw their vote away.