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while Milk was in his mid-thirties

 

 

Milk was in his mid-thirties?

 

Give me a break.  In the photo Milk looks like he is maybe 19 at most.  

 

 

 

 

So what was he supporting if it's not pederasty or pedophilia? So pedophilia is okay as long as it involves the child's "Free will"?

 

 

Ok, you have lost me again. 

 

What was he supporting when he said what?

 

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Also, originally you said the photo was of "Good ol Harvey Milk with his 16 year old brother in arms."  

 

Now, suddenly, the photo is of "of Harvey Milk (left) and his teenage homosexual lover, Jack Galen McKinley" (See source that you provided).

 

My gosh, can we at least try and keep our story straight from one post to the next?


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Christianity will be abolished.

 

 

I know Sciencerocks may disagree with me on this, but if "Americans for Truth About Homosexuality" is an atheist organization, then I think I prefer that Christianity survives, thank you.  (As I said before, while allowing priests to marry.)  


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Christianity will be abolished.

 

 

I know Sciencerocks may disagree with me on this, but if "Americans for Truth About Homosexuality" is an atheist organization, then I think I prefer that Christianity survives, thank you.  (As I said before, while allowing priests to marry.)  

 

 

I don't hate Christainity as Jesus told us NOT to Judge. The people judging and attempting to destroy peoples lives aint followers of christ anyways....

 

I wouldn't abolish Christianity but it isn't clean and one could argue the same points against it as Homosexuality.


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@rtardx

 

Oh, and about your source:

 

https://www.splcente...heir-propaganda

 

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Americans for Truth About Homosexuality

 

Americans for Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH) was formed as a part-time venture in 1996 by long-time gay-basher Peter LaBarbera, who reorganized it in 2006 as a much more serious and influential, if often vicious, operation.

 

A one-time reporter for the conservative Washington Times, LaBarbera has been an energetic campaigner against “the radical homosexual agenda” since at least 1993, when he launched The Lambda Report, which claimed to do first-hand reporting to expose its gay enemies. Over the years, he has been an official with Accuracy in Media, Concerned Women for America, the Family Research Council and the Illinois Family Institute (see below for the last three). He left the Illinois Family Institute, where he’d been executive director, in 2006.

 

AFTAH is notable for its posting of the utterly discredited work of Paul Cameron (of the Family Research Institute...), who has claimed that gays and lesbians live vastly shorter lives than heterosexuals. Among the Cameron propaganda published by AFTAH are 2007 claims that gays and lesbians in Norway and Denmark live 24 fewer years than heterosexuals. Reviewing that claim, Danish epidemiologist Morten Frisch found that it had no scientific basis. LaBarbera himself, in 2002, compared the alleged dangers of homosexuality to those of “smoking, alcohol and drug abuse.” Similarly, AFTAH’s website carries essays describing homosexuality as a “lethal behavior addiction,” a “dangerous” practice that is “neither normal nor benign.”

 

In 2007, LaBarbera claimed there was “a disproportionate incidence of pedophilia” among gay men — yet another false assertion. The same year, he posted an open letter to the Lithuanian people from long-time gay-basher Scott Lively ... who has made a series of false claims about gays running the German Nazi Party. In the piece posted to the AFTAH website, Lively said homosexuals are trying to take away free speech from all opponents of gays and to silence all religious opinions on the matter.

 

 

 

Oh yeah. Sounds real credible to me.  / sarcasm


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while Milk was in his mid-thirties

 

 

Milk was in his mid-thirties?

 

Give me a break.  In the photo Milk looks like he is maybe 19 at most.  

 

 

 

 

So what was he supporting if it's not pederasty or pedophilia? So pedophilia is okay as long as it involves the child's "Free will"?

 

 

Ok, you have lost me again. 

 

What was he supporting when he said what?

 

Edit:

 

Also, originally you said the photo was of "Good ol Harvey Milk with his 16 year old brother in arms."  

 

Now, suddenly, the photo is of "of Harvey Milk (left) and his teenage homosexual lover, Jack Galen McKinley" (See source that you provided).

 

My gosh, can we at least try and keep our story straight from one post to the next?

 

 

Nope, He was 33, some people just look young. Pease go research the term "brother in arms", and "Sarcasm" while you're at it. 

 

When harry hay was wore a shirt saying " NAMBLA WALKS WITH US" what was he supporting if not pedophilia or pederasty? What does NAMBLA fight for?



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@rtardx

 

Oh, and about your source:

 

https://www.splcente...heir-propaganda

 

Extract:

 

Americans for Truth About Homosexuality

 

Americans for Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH) was formed as a part-time venture in 1996 by long-time gay-basher Peter LaBarbera, who reorganized it in 2006 as a much more serious and influential, if often vicious, operation.

 

A one-time reporter for the conservative Washington Times, LaBarbera has been an energetic campaigner against “the radical homosexual agenda” since at least 1993, when he launched The Lambda Report, which claimed to do first-hand reporting to expose its gay enemies. Over the years, he has been an official with Accuracy in Media, Concerned Women for America, the Family Research Council and the Illinois Family Institute (see below for the last three). He left the Illinois Family Institute, where he’d been executive director, in 2006.

 

AFTAH is notable for its posting of the utterly discredited work of Paul Cameron (of the Family Research Institute...), who has claimed that gays and lesbians live vastly shorter lives than heterosexuals. Among the Cameron propaganda published by AFTAH are 2007 claims that gays and lesbians in Norway and Denmark live 24 fewer years than heterosexuals. Reviewing that claim, Danish epidemiologist Morten Frisch found that it had no scientific basis. LaBarbera himself, in 2002, compared the alleged dangers of homosexuality to those of “smoking, alcohol and drug abuse.” Similarly, AFTAH’s website carries essays describing homosexuality as a “lethal behavior addiction,” a “dangerous” practice that is “neither normal nor benign.”

 

In 2007, LaBarbera claimed there was “a disproportionate incidence of pedophilia” among gay men — yet another false assertion. The same year, he posted an open letter to the Lithuanian people from long-time gay-basher Scott Lively ... who has made a series of false claims about gays running the German Nazi Party. In the piece posted to the AFTAH website, Lively said homosexuals are trying to take away free speech from all opponents of gays and to silence all religious opinions on the matter.

 

 

 

Oh yeah. Sounds real credible to me.  / sarcasm

Doesn't matter, Him having a sexual relationship with  teenager is an established fact that can be found on other sites including wikipedia. That site  just further elaborated on said fact.



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when harry hay was wore a shirt saying " NAMBLA WALKS WITH US" what was he supporting if not pedophilia or pederasty? What does NAMBLA fight for?

 

 

I already explained, among other things, it:

 

 

 

..works to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors and campaigns for the release of men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion.

 

 

One can support that goal without supporting the full and complete acceptance and legalization of pedophilia and/or pederasty.

 

At any rate, even if Harry Hay supported it, that is one person.  After a couple of pages of argument, you have managed to half-way document that one gay rights leader might have also supported acceptance of pedophilia and/or pederasty.  Not exactly an overwhelming amount of evidence to support your claim. 


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Doesn't matter, Him having a sexual relationship with  teenager is an established fact that can be found on other sites including wikipedia. That site  just further elaborated on said fact.

 

 

Then why haven't you used those other more credible sources?

 

Could it be because it is hard to find material in them that actually supports your prejudice?


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No, Enjoy babylon.



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Ok, so I read a little more of the Wikipedia article on Harvey Milk.  It includes this segment:

 

 

 He started a romantic relationship with Jack Galen McKinley and recruited him to work on conservative Republican Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign.[ Their relationship was troubled. When McKinley first began his relationship with Milk in late 1964, McKinley was 16 years old. He was prone to depression and sometimes threatened to commit suicide if Milk did not show him enough attention. To make a point to McKinley, Milk took him to the hospital where Milk's ex-lover, Joe Campbell, was himself recuperating from a suicide attempt, after his lover Billy Sipple left him. Milk had remained friendly with Campbell, who had entered the avant-garde art scene in Greenwich Village, but Milk did not understand why Campbell's despondency was sufficient cause to consider suicide as an option.

 

 

So, at least a part of rtardx's claim holds up.  Still, when "he first begin his relationship"  with McKinley was 16. From the Wikipedia article, we don't know when the first sexual contact may have occurred.  For that matter, we don't even know that there was sexual contact, only a "romantic involvement".  Sure, "romatic involvement" often involves a sexual realtionship, but that is an inference, not solid proof of such contact. Also, while sixteen is under the age of consent in many places, it is at least into puberty, and therefore not pedophilia in the sense of messing around with a pre-pubescent teen.  

 

If Milk did mess around with McKinley prior to McKinley reaching the age of eighteen, then yes, he shouldn't have done that.


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^^^Finished reading the Wikipedia piece on Harvey Milk.

 

How sad that the gay-bashers would focus on one possible indiscretion of his when he was a relatively young 30 or 31 while ignoring the lifetime of accomplishment of this great man. Milk died of an assassins bullet. So he is not around to defend himself or explain his actions.  How easy it is to smear the reputation of a man who died so prematurely from such a violent death.


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The article below was found by Sciencerocks and posted in another thread.  By rtrdx's logic, I suppose the Republican party should also be terminated as an institution in addition to all Christian churches.

 

 

TRUMP CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR AND 'FAMILY VALUES' REPUBLICAN PLEADS GUILTY TO CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING, FA
Source: Newsweek
BY CARLOS BALLESTEROS ON 11/19/17 AT 5:25 PM

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Ralph Shortey, former Oklahoma state senator and a county campaign coordinator for President Donald Trumps campaign last year, will plead guilty to a child sex trafficking offense for soliciting sex from a 17-year-old boy in March.

In exchange for his guilty plea, government prosecutors have agreed to drop three counts of child pornography against him.

Shortey is scheduled to plead guilty on November 30, two weeks before his trial was set to commence on December 5. Sex trafficking of a minor carries a minimum sentence of 10 years in prison, but Shortey faces the possibility of being sent to life in prison for the offense at a sentencing hearing in early 2018.

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On March 9, Shortey surrendered to police on charges of engaging in child prostitution, transporting a minor for prostitution and engaging in prostitution within 1,000 feet of a church. He was released on a $100,000 bond a couple hours after being booked.

 

Read more: http://www.newsweek....16348?piano_t=1


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^^^Finished reading the Wikipedia piece on Harvey Milk.

 

How sad that the gay-bashers would focus on one possible indiscretion of his when he was a relatively young 30 or 31 while ignoring the lifetime of accomplishment of this great man. Milk died of an assassins bullet. So he is not around to defend himself or explain his actions.  How easy it is to smear the reputation of a man who died so prematurely from such a violent death.

Age of consent across most of Europe is 16 or sometimes as low as 14 I think, a few places put it at 17 or 18, so I'm not particularly bothered by it. 

 

I'm generally a bit suspicious even of legal relationships where 1 person is in their teens and the other is significantly older, but if the guy never mentioned regretting it or being harmed by the relationship then probably a case of no fire without smoke.

 

Anyway this whole distraction is kind of irrelevant because he, and other historic leaders in the LGBT community could all be mad rapists and it still wouldn't actually make the point any more valid. 

 

This wouldn't prove anything, just as unethical spiritual leaders don't prove that all religious people are similar, and unethical hollywood bigshots don't prove that all actors/showbiz people are similar, and unethical politicians don' prove that all politicians are similar. (although the sheer number of politicians who seem to be dickheads is suspicious!)

 

They are all leaders in their ways, and people in positions of power, leadership and trust, have the greatest temptation to abuse in whatever ways appeal to them, and the greatest outcry when they are discovered. But not all leaders are unethical, and certainly that doesn't affect those who follow them.

 

 

An obvious exception to this occurs when a leader is known to be evil in some way and is supported anyway, at that point you can start distrusting all their followers. 



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Trump’s ban on transgender military service just took another blow
The arbitrary ban "cannot possibly constitute a legitimate governmental interest", the judge wrote.
 

 

A second federal judge has ruled against President Trump’s ban on transgender people serving in the military, issuing a preliminary injunction prohibiting it from taking effect. Unlike the first such injunction, issued last month, this order also ensures transition-related medical procedures remain covered.

Senior United States District Judge Marvin Garbis, a George H.W. Bush appointee, ruled Tuesday that Trump’s ban, first tweeted out in July, could not be enforced:

 

https://thinkprogres...n-5cf47afb5248/

 

Yay hate lost!!!


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Trump’s ban on transgender military service just took another blow
The arbitrary ban "cannot possibly constitute a legitimate governmental interest", the judge wrote.
 

 

A second federal judge has ruled against President Trump’s ban on transgender people serving in the military, issuing a preliminary injunction prohibiting it from taking effect. Unlike the first such injunction, issued last month, this order also ensures transition-related medical procedures remain covered.

Senior United States District Judge Marvin Garbis, a George H.W. Bush appointee, ruled Tuesday that Trump’s ban, first tweeted out in July, could not be enforced:

 

https://thinkprogres...n-5cf47afb5248/

 

Yay hate lost!!!

so, it's sort of lifted? if that's possible, then we still get internet. 



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hello?



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hello?

 

They still get surgery that they need and get to serve... ;)


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The first openly transgender mayor has been elected in Canada

    Maddie Jones
    22nd November 2017, 7:12 PM

 

An openly transgender woman has just become the first mayor to be elected in Canada.

Julie Lemieux is also the first female mayor in Montreal town Très-Saint-Rédempteur’s 136-year history.

Many supporters of the new mayor have said they did not think about the fact that Lemieux was transgender when voting for her.

 

http://www.pinknews....cted-in-canada/


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Sri Lanka will decriminalise homosexuality, official vows    Nick Duffy
    24th November 2017, 2:31 PM

 

The Sri Lankan government has assured human rights experts that it plans to decriminalise homosexuality.

It is currently illegal to be gay in Sri Lanka under laws inherited from the country’s colonial past. 

It maintains an archaic “gross indecency” law that bans gay sex.

The government has previously rejected calls to change the law – though it paradoxically has taken steps to ban anti-gay discrimination in the workplace.

 

http://www.pinknews....-official-vows/


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Second U.S. judge halts Trump's proposed transgender military ban
Le Dumbass loses again:

https://www.nbcnews..../amp/ncna823226

 

It is unconstuttional to discriminate against an entire group! This is why his muslim bans have been defeated too. This asshole is just too fucking stupid to realize this or too full of hatred.


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