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Don't want to ge involved with something that has 0 effect on me.



First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

-Martin Niemöller

It's easy to get away with inactivity when you aren't the one being oppressed or singled out... it's not your problem, after all... until one day your son comes out of the closet, terrified of a world that hates him for the way he is. How will you explain to him how it isn't your problem?


1) I evoke Godwin's Law...
2) If my son came out of the closet I would support his choice. The world doesn't hate gay people. Just a few fundamentalists do.


I see it an issue with gays and the legal system. Don't want to ge involved with something that has 0 effect on me.

I guess by this logic I shouldn't care about the famine and genocide in Africa because it has 0 effect on me.


I donated 5 bucks at my local charity for aid to the famine. It isn't much but it is what I could spare at the moment. I don't see gays dying and starving in the masses like in Somalia.

My view on marraige is that government should get out of marriage. Its the individual commitment to theit partner that makes the marraige special not a marraige certificate.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-16935270

California ban on gay marriage ruled unconstitutional

California's ban on same-sex marriages is unconstitutional, a San Francisco appeals court has ruled.

A statewide referendum on the issue, known as Proposition 8, imposed a bar on gay unions in November 2008 but that was overturned by a court in 2010.

Now a three-judge panel of the 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled 2-1 that the latter judgement was correct.

Supporters of the ban previously vowed to challenge the panel's decision if it went against them.

Lawyers for those backing the ban are expected to take the issue to the US Supreme Court.

Proposition 8 was a 2008 ballot measure that amended the California constitution to state that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognised in California".

Two same-sex couples challenged the measure, saying it violated their right to equal protection under the US constitution.

The 2010 ruling overturned the ban, determining it to be a violation of the civil rights of gays and lesbians.
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Also, not to mention protection against the tyranny of the majority (or mob rule, if you will) - something some people don't understand at all. :mad: Without this protection, democracy will not be the same, or even wouldn't be called one at all.
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Kind of sad, but apparently one of the first couples to get married when it was legal is now getting a divorce. http://www.nbclosang...-138896249.html In any case, this is a good sign. The prop 8 rejection I mean.

Edited by Logically Irrational, 08 February 2012 - 01:29 AM.

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Kind of sad, but apparently one of the first couples to get married when it was legal is now getting a divorce.


What's really kind of sad is that no one is at all seriously considering the threat that divorce poses to the "sanctity of marriage". If we want to protect marriage, we should be banning divorce, and embracing more gay marriages. Lifetime unbreakable commitments for all! That's the surest path to a perfectly sane population, if you ask (mirror universe) me.
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Blah. Divorce seems like healthy option instead of keeping disfunctional marriage that hurts both sides. Problems start when there's a kid, but I know people who have divorced parents, and guess what - they are normal happy people, so fuck you american holier that thou hypocrytical jerks, who think you can tell people what to do, and how to live.
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Just to be clear, I was being sarcastic. No one (even in America) is seriously calling for a ban on divorce in order to protect the sanctity of marriage. I enjoy bringing it up though, in order to get a rise out of the fundies. There was a similar call recently to ban masturbation on the grounds that it is a willful termination of millions of potential human lives. It really is genocide in the palm of your hand, after all.
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I'm sorry man. I see now that my post looks like it's aimed at you. I'm sorry. It was general rant at american legislatures like ones that try to ban gay marriages or tell people how to think. I totally didn't mean you. Hope didn't offend you.
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I haven't given much though on this but... What I belive to be moral and what you beilve to be moral are different things. Everyone may have their own defintion of marriage. My thoughts are personal and to be felt by me only and so are yours. However you or I have no right to force morality amoung other. Legalizing it won't affect your life or mine. This is a step in a positive direction. For any fundie members reading this message, banning gay marriage doesn't make the country more 'moral', that is the judgement of the Lord not you. For any anti-gay atheists (Don't ask, I met a few), people should free to do what they want as long as it doesn't violate any one else's liberty. Any one claiming AIDS or a high divorse rate. Gays are people too, you may not respect their life choices but having a 75%+ AIDS rate is not a reason to ban marriage. Its like banning marriage with STDs, doesn't work. The divorse law is F*cked beyond comprehension. Reforms to the divorse law should be made, not banning a certian type of relationship. If it were up to me, I'd just get government out of marriage and pass the tax savings to everyone.
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Good. Why is there such a heated debate over same-sex marriages? Just let them get married, world won't end, nations won't crumble. A scene in the documentary Religulous, "I don't hate gays.. Jesus hates them." Makes me tired hearing about all this hallucinogenic nonsense.


Institutionalized brain-washing.

Somehow this effect it has on these people makes them afraid to think for themselves. In other words, they are not aware of the cumulative effects of this conditioning that influence all aspects of their decision-making.

The solution lies in the profound removal this harmful conditioning. But how on a large scale? It might be too unrealistic and too late. An alternative is to let this generation die off while the next, more progressive generation becomes the dominant one.
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Why should it matter to conservatives what other people do, that don't affect them at all? That's what blows my mind! Sure they are uncomfortable around same sex couples, that's the problem with society! Eventually we won't feel any queasier watching a man kiss another man than to watch a man kiss a woman. Like in the movies, or whatever (eventually it'll be more tolerated in shows and movies in general.) So, why not let other people be happy? It's not taking something from you!
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Haha :D Now seriously, I don't understand what the matter with gay marriage is. If they want to marry, let them marry, that is my opinion. Even if you are against homosexuality and would never ever ever ever ever (... you get the point) want to be with someone of your own gender - just because gay marriage is legal doesn't mean you are forced to marry someone who's gay! Some people are acting as if gay marriage means they have to marry a gay - that's just... no. I hate when people bring religion into this. Jesus hates gays... Sure -_- Religious conditioning is one of the most stupid things there is! Well, that's another topic, but bringing religion into this is just a way of making yourself and your pretty extreme views (NO GAYS!! etc.) look somewhat legitimate, at least in the eyes of many people.
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There's definitely truth in that...


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Tens of thousands of protesters have taken to the streets of Paris over plans to give gay couples in France the right to marry and adopt children.

Three big marches were converging on the Champs de Mars, next to the Eiffel Tower.

France's Socialist government is planning to change the law this year.

But the demonstrators, backed by the Catholic Church and the right-wing opposition, argue it would undermine an essential building block of society.

 

From http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-21004322

 

I'm for Gay Marriage but most people are against it but it's upto the Government wherever or not there is a law for it in that country.


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Not everyone agrees with gay adoption. If a kid at the school I went to had gay parents they'd probably get the shit kicked out of them. I'm sure most kids with gay parents would be bullied for it. Hate to say it but gay couples adopting kids is just a selfish form of child abuse. I agree gay couples should have all the other rights married couples have though.

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I agree with you. Kids are better off in an orphanage than with gay parents. It isn't like Oliver Twist either. A lot of orphanages are good, and kids like their caretakers. I am for gay marriage though. It used to be that if anyone supported gay marriage they were gay. Obviously that's not true.

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Nah!!! it is the responsability of schools and political institutions to fight discrimination against gays and children who are adopted by gay couple.

Do you know what life is like in orphanage? No privacy in your room, small love, anxiety for the future, poverty, no cuddles, no someone you can confess your secrets or fears, sense of emptiness, you envy children that have parents in your school. In the last years orphanage have improved, they are more like big family-house but not every ophanage are like that. My cousins in Southern Italy have adopted a child from Belures and really when they described me these places it made me cry a bit.

My position is that it is better to have the love of people of the same sex rather then  the love of  one institution.


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If a kid with gay parents is going to get beat up the moment someone finds out about it, that's society's fault, isn't it? The most we can do is discourage bullying through massive campaigns.

 

The kid with gay parents is going to grow up knowing he/she is growing up differently, but that will be their environment and as such won't think much of it. What truly matters is that the child has loving and supportive parents. I'd hardly consider it abuse.

 

If two people in love want a kid that someone else doesn't want, who are we to stop them?


Edited by EVanimations, 13 January 2013 - 09:06 PM.

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Maybe you guys are right.

 

All I know is, I don't like being around gay people.  I haven't. Ever. Not even when I was little.  So if I had gay parents, I would do everything in my power to get away from them. 

 

I don't make friends with someone I know is gay, if I am friends with someone and it turns out they are gay, then nothing changes and we are still friends (has happened before, I consider anyone on this website a friend).  I just think it looks bad and is awkward making friends with someone who is gay.

 

Having my parents be gay would really be awkward.  I'd hate it.  I wouldn't be able to stand the thought of them sharing a bed together in the house that I lived in

 

That is just my opinion, it may sound cruel but sorry, I don't mean it to be.  I can respect someone's life choices, but I don't want them imposed on me.  The reason I am ok with it, is because I think being gay has more to do with genetics or some other biological factor rather than personal choice.


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Understandable. I kind of see where you're coming from.

 

Really though, my second batch of roommates had 2 gay people (out of the 5 of us). They were cool guys for the most part, and convinced me to let go of a lot of preconceptions I held about their kind. Luckily for us they never... got lucky. Oh yeah, and did I mention I go to an art college in the middle of Philadelphia? I cannot stress that enough.

 

As much as gay behavior grosses me out I know it's just what comes naturally to them, and denying them rights because "it's icky" isn't going to help anybody.







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