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Surviving the 21st century


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i want to survive the 21first century, where do you think would be the safest place to live?

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Best places to be - Canada, Alaska, Iceland, UK, Scandinavia, Northern Russia. Worst places to be - Africa, Middle East, Pakistan.

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Best places to be -

Canada, Alaska, Iceland, UK, Scandinavia, Northern Russia.


Worst places to be -

Africa, Middle East, Pakistan.


cool, i thought iceland would be one of them

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Anywhere in a first world country.

What is true, just, and beautiful is not determined by popular vote. The masses everywhere are ignorant, short-sighted, motivated by envy, and easy to fool. Democratic politicians must appeal to these masses in order to be elected. Whoever is the best demagogue will win. Almost by necessity, then, democracy will lead to the perversion of truth, justice and beauty. -Hans Hermann Hoppe


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I'd say just about anywhere that's at least 5,000 feet above sea level.

Our polar caps are melting fast! http://www.futuretim...tyle_emoticons/animate/shock.gif
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I'd say just about anywhere that's at least 5,000 feet above sea level.

Our polar caps are melting fast! http://www.futuretim...tyle_emoticons/animate/shock.gif



Even the most fringe global warming groups predict 20ft by 2100. With the properties of water and its melting could cause it to expand by 10x which is at 200 ft at best. That is if man made climate is a real scientific fact.

What is true, just, and beautiful is not determined by popular vote. The masses everywhere are ignorant, short-sighted, motivated by envy, and easy to fool. Democratic politicians must appeal to these masses in order to be elected. Whoever is the best demagogue will win. Almost by necessity, then, democracy will lead to the perversion of truth, justice and beauty. -Hans Hermann Hoppe


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That is if man made climate is a real scientific fact.

"Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities."
- The National Academy of Sciences

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That is if man made climate is a real scientific fact.

"Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities."
- The National Academy of Sciences


so the thing that is almost definitely true is that the earth system is warming according to that quote, and it's only "very likely" much of this is due to human activites? It's a terrible quote to use to emphasise your point.

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so the thing that is almost definitely true is that the earth system is warming according to that quote, and it's only "very likely" much of this is due to human activites? It's a terrible quote to use to emphasise your point.

"Only" very likely? Er... okay.

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That is if man made climate is a real scientific fact.

"Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities."
- The National Academy of Sciences


As you see, I'm not the kind of person who calls Al Gore a socialist even though Antropogenic Climate Change is supported by various socialist, communist and collectvist groups. I will also let you know I do not watch Fox or any right wing media. I have been finding scandals, inconsistencies ever since I was 12. Now that I'm 18, I learned to organize my thoughts and debate in an orderly fashion.

What are those conclusions that have been proven correct. I have larened to notice tricky languange. I would assume these ones:

-The Earth is warming
- The ice caps are losing area
- The amount of CO2 has increased
- CO2 does heat up the atmosphere

These are well established facts and no one is arguing those.

These have been thorughly been debunked but the Climate Change proponents won't accecpt:

- The Mann Graph
- 1998 and 2005 wasn't the hotest year worldwide.
- Ice caps and their stable volume.

These are variations are still being reserached on:

-The Gap between CO2 and temperature.
- The Sunspot theory hasn't been debunked as it has a closer correlation. It may be slightly off but not as CO2.
- The actual absorption rate of CO2 of the oceans and trees. I don't buy the one in skeptial science.
- Techtonic activity
- What other factors are effecting climate change and previous climate changes
- Prehistoric occurances


This one get the Climate Change proponents the hardest:

The Earth cooled in the 1940s-1970s because of the dust deleased by WWII and thousands of Nuclear Weapon Tests.

Notice the temperature drop starting from 1941 about 2 years after WWII started. The Earth started to heat up again after 5 years of the signing of the NPT and 9 years from the CPT.
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Best places to be -

Canada, Alaska, Iceland, UK, Scandinavia, Northern Russia.


Worst places to be -

Africa, Middle East, Pakistan.



Dang...my entire family lives in the Middle East.

Where does California fall into this?

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Best places to be -

Canada, Alaska, Iceland, UK, Scandinavia, Northern Russia.


Worst places to be -

Africa, Middle East, Pakistan.



Dang...my entire family lives in the Middle East.

Where does California fall into this?


According to the Global Warming Proponents, the West coast will be flooded.

Personal Advice: All Doomsday scenarios are off as there has been no disasters related to climate change.

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According to the Global Warming Proponents, the West coast will be flooded.

A more immediate impact will be chronic drought. Sea level rises won't happen until much later.


Personal Advice: All Doomsday scenarios are off as there has been no disasters related to climate change.

What planet are you on???


Globally, 2010 was the hottest year on record:
http://gu.com/p/2ybz7/tw

Diagram showing global temperature anomalies for summer 2010:
http://tinyurl.com/37esfog

2010 saw Pakistan's worst ever floods, with over 1/5th of the country underwater and 20 million people displaced:
http://en.wikipedia..../Pakistan_flood

2010 saw Russia's worst ever heatwaves:
http://tinyurl.com/3ysx65w

2010 coral bleaching was the worst ever:
http://tinyurl.com/334nsa4

2010 saw massive crop failures in Australia due to record heatwaves:
http://www.abc.net.a...01/s2789453.htm

Arctic sea ice continued its downward trend:
http://nsidc.org/ima...206_Figure3.png

Vast Siberian methane stores appear to be destabilizing and venting:
http://climateprogre...-shelf-venting/

Human activities, responsible for some 36,300 million metric tons of CO2 emissions per year, release at least a hundred times more CO2 than all the world’s degassing subaerial and submarine volcanoes:
http://volcanoes.usg...gas/climate.php

Global temperatures 1880-2010:
http://en.wikipedia....ture_Record.png

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According to the Global Warming Proponents, the West coast will be flooded.


California is so mountinous that I highly doubt that. A mountain chain seperates the beach from Los Angeles.

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Texas currently has "exceptional" droughts -

http://thinkprogress...n-and-pawlenty/



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http://en.wikipedia...._Africa_drought

The 2011 Horn of Africa drought or 2011 Eastern Africa drought is a severe drought that is affecting the Horn of Africa as seasonal rains have failed over an extended period. Weather conditions over the Pacific have interrupted seasonal rains for two consecutive seasons. Rains are not expected to return until September 2011. This drought, which is said to be "the worst in 60 years", has caused a food crisis in the Horn of Africa that threatens the livelihood of more than 10 million people. The crisis is compounded by rebel activity around southern Somalia.

The Famine Early Warning Systems Network (FEWS-Net) declared an emergency for large areas in southern Somalia, southeastern Ethiopia, and northeastern Kenya, which could culminate in widespread famine if the current conditions aren't addressed. Other countries in and around the Horn of Africa, including Djibouti, Sudan, South Sudan, and parts of Uganda are also affected by a severe food crisis.

The head of United States Agency for International Development, Rajiv Shah, stated that climate change has contributed to the severity of the crisis. "There's no question that hotter and drier growing conditions in sub-Saharan Africa have reduced the resiliency of these communities." Shah further states that the drought may worsen the security situation in the region. "This is happening precisely in a part of the world that our Defense Secretary Leon Panetta just said is a critical part of our fight against terrorism and our overall international security. It just underscores the deep link between food security and national security."


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High Water: Hottest year ends with unprecedented, “biblical” Australian floods covering an area the size of France and Germany combined.

One of the most basic predictions of climate science is that global warming will cause more intense precipitation. As Dr. Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, explained it, “there is a systematic influence on all of these weather events now-a-days because of the fact that there is this extra water vapor lurking around in the atmosphere than there used to be say 30 years ago. It’s about a 4% extra amount, it invigorates the storms, it provides plenty of moisture for these storms and it’s unfortunate that the public is not associating these with the fact that this is one manifestation of climate change. And the prospects are that these kinds of things will only get bigger and worse in the future.”

http://thinkprogress...alian-flooding/


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How much of this is out of the ordinary when compared the the long climate history of the Earth? The climate history shows constant change.

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What planet are you on???


I am on Earth, fine than you.

Globally, 2010 was the hottest year on record:
http://gu.com/p/2ybz7/tw


Your source says that 2010 is on track on being the hottest year in history even surpassing 1998. It didn't.

This year likely to match 1998 temperatures as UN scientists predict more floods, heatwaves and rising sea levels


Diagram showing global temperature anomalies for summer 2010:
http://tinyurl.com/37esfog


One month a year. Weather =/= climate.

2010 saw Pakistan's worst ever floods, with over 1/5th of the country underwater and 20 million people displaced:
http://en.wikipedia..../Pakistan_flood


That was due to heavy rain fall not rising sea levels. Heavy rainfall is contrary to the global warming theory.

Heavy rainfalls recorded during the wet spell of July 2010
Heavy rainfalls of more than 200 millimeters (7.9 in) were recorded during the four day wet spell from 27 July to 30 July, 2010 in the provinces of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab based on data from the Pakistan Meteorological Department.[23]


2010 saw Russia's worst ever heatwaves:
http://tinyurl.com/3ysx65w


Caused by smog, Carbon Monoxide, real pollution,

2010 coral bleaching was the worst ever:

2010 coral bleaching was the worst ever:
http://tinyurl.com/334nsa4


Your source only talks about the Caribbean and doesn't talk about other coral reefs. Reefs all over the world are not failing.

2010 saw massive crop failures in Australia due to record heatwaves:
http://www.abc.net.a...01/s2789453.htm




Massive crop losses predicted from heatwave


The heatwave across south east Australia is worrying fruit and vegetable growers, with one table grape grower predicting a 70 per cent drop in yields.


See it in the list?

http://en.wikipedia....ve#21st_century


Arctic sea ice continued its downward trend:
http://nsidc.org/ima...206_Figure3.png


Ice age ring a bell?

http://www.geocraft....lacial_max.html
http://www.geocraft....terglacial.html

Vast Siberian methane stores appear to be destabilizing and venting:
http://climateprogre...-shelf-venting/


Your article just says a worst-case scenario is it started to degenerate. Your article doesn't explain when did it start degrading, historical occurrences.

Human activities, responsible for some 36,300 million metric tons of CO2 emissions per year, release at least a hundred times more CO2 than all the world’s degassing subaerial and submarine volcanoes:
http://volcanoes.usg...gas/climate.php


Still doesn't compare to the CO2 emissions naturally.

Global temperatures 1880-2010:
http://en.wikipedia....ture_Record.png



Debunked so badly.

http://www.foresight...nanodot/?p=3553
http://www.john-daly...ckey/hockey.htm
http://wattsupwithth...financial-post/
http://www.worldclim...-1998-2005-rip/
http://www.globalwar...ckey_stick.html

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