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Do you hear yourself? You even put quotations over "help" which further proves my point. History has a terrible record of more powerful nations trying to "help" other nations against their own will, and why do you think that this situation would be any different. I'm sure it's so easy to say that as your sitting in your comfortable home drinking tea in your computer chair while other people carry out that task and suffer the consequences. Your support for imperialistic bigotry and supremacist viewpoints towards an entire ethnicity is greatly appreciated. And if I may ask how will this "one child policy" work. Will you fine people for having more than one child, even though they could never afford to pay it? Will you kill all children after the first is born? Will you kill the parent leaving the children orphans? Or will you cut their dicks off and rip their wombs out so they can no longer have children? "Tough methods" to get the situation under control... Cmon get real man. As if that hasn't been said by every white supremacist ever. The best and only logical, non supremacist method is to help them through the transition until they realize it themselves. What will your solution bring besides resentment, hate, and racism between Africa and the rest of the world? Your viewpoint is literally "we'll it doesn't matter, because we're stronger than them"?

Nope, I am trying to save them from nonstop suffering... your viepoints is creating mass starvation and dying of millions if not billions.... you are the bad guy, not me.

 

And you should check it out how China is doing the one child policy in China, rules are rules and China is doing the right thing, it is working pretty effective there and it can work in subsahara africa too. It is not a human right to have 15 babies if your country is already starving.

 

http://www.dailymail...ancy-China.html

China also currently has a large gender imbalance of its young people. This is probably at least in large part due to its One Child Policy.



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Yeah they will starve to death before that will happen, you obviously are delusional or very retarded. They need to reduce their birth-rate NOW and I dont see that happening anytime soon. When will this "improving standards of living" happen in subsahara according you? Only thing I see is more starving children year after year.. 

Actually, Sub-Saharan Africa (or at least some parts of it) currently appear to have large economic growth: http://www.economist.../01/daily_chart



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In regards to using the military and/or the UN to enforce this proposal "One Child Policy" in Africa, wouldn't it be better to have the military and/or the UN make sure that people in Sub-Saharan African countries are properly taught comprehensive sex ed and provided sufficient contraception?



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China also currently has a large gender imbalance of its young people. This is probably at least in large part due to its One Child Policy.

 

 

 

That and the fact that most families based off sustenance agriculture prefer to have boys to help with the farm work and will actually pay doctors to reveal the gender of their children so they can abort. Most of these families would probably not have problems having girls if they could have more than one child, BUT because they can only have one they really need a boy to help out. This means China has millions of young men who will never be able to have a wife/girlfriend even if they wanted too, that can only lead to angst in the Chinese population with such demographic imbalances. Maybe the government will try to force them all to become homosexual... LOL... another failure of social engineering the one child policy. 



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That and the fact that most families based off sustenance agriculture prefer to have boys to help with the farm work and will actually pay doctors to reveal the gender of their children so they can abort. Most of these families would probably not have problems having girls if they could have more than one child, BUT because they can only have one they really need a boy to help out. This means China has millions of young men who will never be able to have a wife/girlfriend even if they wanted too, that can only lead to angst in the Chinese population with such demographic imbalances. Maybe the government will try to force them all to become homosexual... LOL... another failure of social engineering the one child policy. 

 

 

Yeah China didnt do well that part in one child policy, anyways I dont think it will lead any kind of tensions.

Just look Japan.. there is women for every men but still most of them are single and "happy"

 

http://www.japancrus...no-partner.html

60% of men age 18-39 are single in Japan.

 

Actually, Sub-Saharan Africa (or at least some parts of it) currently appear to have large economic growth:

 

Yeah they have economic growth but still there is a lot of poverty, if population numbers are doubling every 10 year it is logical that economics will grow also. Despite all economic growth, Nigeria for example is pretty much failed state where numbers of people living in absolutety poverty are increasing every year.

 

[font="tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(24,24,24);"]In regards to using the military and/or the UN to enforce this proposal "One Child Policy" in Africa, wouldn't it be better to have the military and/or the UN make sure that people in Sub-Saharan African countries are properly taught comprehensive sex ed and provided sufficient contraception?[/font]

 

Dont you think we tried that already....

We must remember that in subsahara africa it is "manly" thing to rape a girl for example so it is not easy task to try "educate them" many of them living in rural/jungle areas also which makes it even more difficult.

 

[color=rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);]It is estimated that over 40% of South African women will be raped in their lifetime and that only 1 in 9 rapes are reported.[/color][12][color=rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);] It is also estimated that 14% of perpetrators of rape are convicted in South Africa.[/color][13][color=rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);] In 1997, violence against women was added as one of the priority crimes under the National Crime Prevention Strategy; nevertheless, the rates of reported [/color]rape[color=rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);], sexual abuse of children and [/color]domestic violence[color=rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);] continue to rise.[/color][11]

In a related survey conducted among 1,500 school children in the Johannesburg township of Soweto, a quarter of all the boys interviewed said that 'jackrolling', a term for gang rape, was fun.[4] Furthermore, more than half the interviewees insisted that when a girl says no to sex she really means yes.[4] It is also noteworthy that those in this study were school children as age is significantly associated with rape. Men from ages 20–40 are more likely to have raped than younger or older men.[10]

 

Market Research Africa, a Johannesburg-based market research agency, reported in 1994 that 76% of men felt that women had a right to say no to sex, one third thought that women could not decide for themselves on abortion, and 10% condoned a man beating a woman or his wife.

 

http://en.wikipedia....in_South_Africa


Edited by vapaatyyli, 10 October 2013 - 10:49 AM.


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(Reuters) - Poverty in Nigeria is rising with almost 100 million people living on less than $1 a day, despite strong growth in Africa's second largest economy, data showed on Monday.

The percentage of Nigerians living in absolute poverty - those who can afford only the bare essentials of food, shelter and clothing - rose to 60.9 percent in 2010, compared with 54.7 percent in 2004, the national bureau of statistics said.

Although Nigeria's economy is projected to continue growing, poverty is likely to get worse as the gap between rich and poor in Africa's largest oil producer continues to widen.

"It remains a paradox ... that despite the fact that the Nigerian economy is growing, the proportion of Nigerians living in poverty is increasing every year," Statistician General Yemi Kale told reporters in the capital Abuja.

"NBS estimates that this trend may have increased further in 2011 if the potential positive impacts of several anti-poverty and employment generation intervention programmes are not taken into account," Kale said.

Corruption is rife in Nigeria and for decades politicians have focused on milking cash from crude oil exports, which average more than 2 million barrels per day, rather than developing infrastructure and creating jobs for locals.

Despite holding the world's seventh largest gas reserves, which could be used to generate power, Nigeria only produces enough electricity to power a medium-sized European city.

More than half of the country's 160 million inhabitants live without electricity, while the rest have to rely on expensive generators run on diesel suppliesPosted Image controlled by a small and powerful cartel of importers.

Tens of thousands of Nigerians protested for over a week in January against the government's decision to end subsidies on petrol imports, a decision welcomed by economists.

What started as a protest against fuel prices, quickly developed into anger over government corruption and poor governance and pressure has been building on President Goodluck Jonathan to tackle graft, particularly in the oil sector.

Jonathan has set up several committees and an audit report is being carried out on the national oil company NNPC. Many such reports have been ignored in the past and industry experts say it is unlikely endemic corruption will be reined in.

The protests came at a bad time for Jonathan who has been criticised for not getting a grip on increasingly deadly attacks by radical Islamist sect Boko Haram in the north.

Boko Haram, which wants Islamic law more widely applied in Nigeria, killed more than 250 people in January in a series of bomb and gun attacks in northern cities. It mostly focuses its violence on the police and other authority figures.

Poverty feeds the unrest because the sect is able to coax into its campaign disillusioned youths angry with a government which offers them little.

Data on Monday showed that the northeast and northwest, where Boko Haram originated, are the poorest regions in Nigeria. The southwest, which includes the thriving commercial hub Lagos, had the lowest levels of poverty.

 

http://www.reuters.c...E81C03720120213

 

So as you can see despite economy of subsahara is growing, poverty is not decreasing.


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That and the fact that most families based off sustenance agriculture prefer to have boys to help with the farm work and will actually pay doctors to reveal the gender of their children so they can abort. Most of these families would probably not have problems having girls if they could have more than one child, BUT because they can only have one they really need a boy to help out. This means China has millions of young men who will never be able to have a wife/girlfriend even if they wanted too, that can only lead to angst in the Chinese population with such demographic imbalances. Maybe the government will try to force them all to become homosexual... LOL... another failure of social engineering the one child policy. 

 

 

Yeah China didnt do well that part in one child policy, anyways I dont think it will lead any kind of tensions.

Just look Japan.. there is women for every men but still most of them are single and "happy"

 

http://www.japancrus...no-partner.html

60% of men age 18-39 are single in Japan.

 

 

The thing with Japan though, is that is by choice, if one wanted to get a girlfriend there they certainly could. There is not a gender imbalance to the extent there is in China, therefore everyone is happy.



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The thing with Japan though, is that is by choice, if one wanted to get a girlfriend there they certainly could. There is not a gender imbalance to the extent there is in China, therefore everyone is happy.

 

And why would it be any different in China? Single guys can always try to get a wife from third world countries if they want it that bad.

 

Anyway will they like it or not I dont think there will be much riots/tensions due to that.


Edited by vapaatyyli, 10 October 2013 - 09:47 PM.


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I find it stupid how some people suggest a mass genocide of 1/2 of  human species, If anything, We should be using this as a motivation to put more money into the development of technology.



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I find it stupid how some people suggest a mass genocide of 1/2 of  human species, If anything, We should be using this as a motivation to put more money into the development of technology.

Thank you. I agree wholeheartedly. Some people see overpopulation as a disaster, but I don't. The poverty in the world today is a result in the misuse of wealth, not the overabundance of human life. More people means more trade, innovation, and opportunities for success.



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^ overpopulation is a disaster but genocide and sterilisation isnt the answer, hopefully by century's end the world population will be less than what it is today.
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Does anybody think that, once we have started inhabiting other planets, including planets in other solar systems, that the human population will ever reach one trillion?

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In the absolute best case scenario, I'd say we learn to balance our human well-being with the health of the Earth, and raise the population to around 30 or 40 billion, including underground cities and space orbitals. Then, we spend a few hundred years terraforming Mars and Venus, to make the total population of the solar system about 100 billion. 200 billion at an extreme maximum. That, I believe, is the highest number of people there will ever be.



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^ and how do we realistically feed 40 billion when our Earth is dying? also how do you propose we get tens of billions of humans to other planets for resettling?
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I would love to see the world population under a billion by the end of the 21st century, then a utopia would truely be possible and sustainable by the 23rd century.
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Sorry to break it to honey but a utopia isn't possible. It's at best idealistic and at times unachievable.

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I always believed that, contrary to what you'd expect, overpopulation will only be ethically controlled when we have the ability to live forever.

 

By giving people the choice to either voluntarily reproduce, or live forever.






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