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2012 US Presidential Election Predictions...


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I think Santorum will go next unless if Gingrich past comes back to haunt and previous "lovers" have said that they could do that.


Here comes Gingrich's past.
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I have some very mixed feelings about this story. My wife and I have a mutually agreed upon open marriage. We've just been lamenting the fact that open relationships are such an underground phenomenon - there are no high-profile spokespeople or advocates of open relationships, open marriages, polyamory, or even swinging. It is very difficult to find support or counseling when working through issues that emerge as a result of an open marriage. There is no way that this issue is going to bring any kind of a positive spotlight to people living the lifestyle that we choose to live. All this is going to do is allow more people to step up and decry open marriages as being nothing more than a vessel to allow for "cheating", and to destroy the "sanctity of marriage". Marriage is, when everything else is boiled away, nothing more than a partnership between two people built on love, respect, and trust. Having a mutually agreed upon open marriage can strengthen all three of these foundations. Love can be enhanced when love for other people is allowed to grow, instead of forced into submission. Respect and trust can be secured when topics that would otherwise be taboo can be spoken of openly. Of course, it isn't for everyone, but there are those who feel that open marriages should be for no one, and this revelation from Newt's former mistress / former wife will only serve as a victory for those opposed to my lifestyle - no matter how Gingrich performs this election season.
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I don't care if Gingrich or Herman Cain was a promiscuous gay male. This shouldn't really matter. And the way CNN handled the debate last night was horrible, asking that question first above all the other issues in this country is just sickening. This is equal to FOX News asking Obama if he was born in this country the first question of a debate.

Furthermore, those of us that have been following Newt for a long time have already forgiven him. This is just the only "new" thing they can attack him with. He is a strong debater and this is actually helping him surge so good job media!

Edited by jjf3, 20 January 2012 - 05:56 PM.

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South Carolina primary: Gingrich surge troubles Romney

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US presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich has surged in opinion polls ahead of voting in South Carolina, the latest leg of the battle to be the Republican challenger to Barack Obama.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-16663326
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I don't care if Gingrich or Herman Cain was a promiscuous gay male. This shouldn't really matter. And the way CNN handled the debate last night was horrible, asking that question first above all the other issues in this country is just sickening. This is equal to FOX News asking Obama if he was born in this country the first question of a debate.

Furthermore, those of us that have been following Newt for a long time have already forgiven him. This is just the only "new" thing they can attack him with. He is a strong debater and this is actually helping him surge so good job media!


I have to agree with you about CNN. Maybe it was just me but it seemed that debate skirted around a lot of Obama's failings. I don't think I really even heard Iran come up.
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It's funny watching CNN try to attack Newt now. This morning I see a couple articles about the election, the supposed bias on GOP's side, and attacking Newt's ideas. In fact, FOX has been following the election much more closely than any of the other networks for obvious reasons. Fox does a much better job on the election coverage. However, if the GOP gets in the white house this time. I wouldn't want to watch FOX for election coverage on the Democrat side next time. Except to see some good bashing!

Yeah, well most of the GOP welcome an attack of Iran as a last resort, just like Obama and yet they are called the warmongers.

Edited by jjf3, 21 January 2012 - 06:01 PM.

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The polls are now open in SC. The majority of voters are hinting that the debates mattered which could be great news for Newt! Also this:

Chuck Norris Endorses Newt Gingrich:

The indomitable action star penned a column for World Net Daily Friday arguing that Gingrich has the “experience, leadership, knowledge, wisdom, faith and even humility to learn from his failures (personal and public) can return America to her glory days. And he is the best man left on the battlefield who is able to outwit, outplay and outlast Obama and his campaign machine.”

http://www.reuters.c...367192020120120
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Gingrich Wins SC

http://www.foxnews.c...rolina-primary/
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Wow, a real coincidence that coincided with the worse economic downturn the world has seen in a while. I mean, that just proves it was those damn democrats!
/sarcasm off

And this one out-of-context graph shows what exactly? This says about as much about the causes of the unemployment as a decline in religious observance says anything about the rise of climate change.

Edited by KingstonDon, 25 January 2012 - 04:47 PM.


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Its much as a fallacy as the Obama vs Bush Job creation chart and Democrat president vs Republican president debt chart.

You don't seem to call on Wills video of "Obama's Job creation". I don't think the Republicans are any good but calling the Democrats the 'lesser of both evils' is ridiculous.

At least the religious attendance has a better correlation than CO2
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Its looking more and more like a two-man race now. Romney v Gingrich. It looks to me like Rick Santorum may be the kingmaker this year for the Republican nomination. If he chooses to stay in the contest, he'll leech some votes from Gingrich - probably enough so that Romney will lock up Florida and the nomination. If he chooses to bow out before the Florida primary, and endorse Gingrich (as Rick Perry had in SC), Gingrich should have enough support to consolidate the base, win Florida, and force Romney into a fight that could go on for a few months yet.

I'm not sure which candidate has the better chance against Obama. They both have some significant flaws that play into Obama's hands. Romney looks and in many ways is the tall, slick dark-haired boss of your boss who will fire you without knowing you through a text message from the golf course with a smile on his face. In 2010 he made as much in 16 hours as I make in a year, and he paid the same percentage of taxes as me. Income inequality is definitely going to be an issue this year, and that sort of thing is going to a liability when unemployment, debt, and frustration are rampant. We'll see how effectively he can play the victim card as he attempts to defend the poor, defenseless, outnumbered wealthy against the big, scary, angry 99% with their torches and pitchforks and hammers and sickles.

Speaking of playing the victim, can Gingrich continue to pull the victim card when pressed by the media in a hypothetical match-up against Obama? The loyal Fox Newsers eat that stuff up, but the independents and moderates tend to see right through that sort of dodgery. How will he be able to maintain his stance as the conservative defender of marriage? How will he defend his position as a Washington outsider, when he was formerly Speaker of the House (which is about as inside Washington as it gets), and he has maintained a high profile ever since?


As an aside - these last few graphs are each great examples of why it is that I don't like graphs. Graphs take information and colorize it, and present it in an easy to understand way (that favors whoever made the graph). Take the most recently posted one - Unemployment rate in relation to the party in Congress at the time, going back to 1990. First, why not plot the same graph against the President in office during that period? 1992-2000 was the Clinton administration. Unemployment fell the entire time. Then what happens when Bush is elected? Unemployment spikes. Bush's fault? No. That was the dot-com bubble bursting coupled with the 9/11 attacks. Similarly, in 2008 unemployment spikes. Obama's fault? No. 2008 saw the stock market crash that started the Great Recession, with the housing bubble bursting as a result of sub-prime loaning. All of that happened before Obama was even elected. He wouldn't take office until 2009. If we extend that graph back to the 1970s, we'd find spikes as a result of the OPEC embargo (Ford) and the early 80s stagflation/recession (Reagan). All we can do after these things happen is ask ourselves if the situation in question is improving, and if it isn't getting better, does the other side have a better idea of how to fix things?

Or, if you like, take the second one as an example from the other side. I've been seeing this "Jobs Created" graph everywhere lately, which clearly is meant to favor Obama and the democrats. This is another game with numbers. We're seeing only the jobs created or lost. We're not seeing the fall or (mostly) rise of total unemployment, which looks far less rosy for the democrats (see the other graph just discussed). To the eye, we see a trend upward ever since Obama's election. In fact we were in the midst of an economic freefall that had reached terminal velocity and was no longer accelerating. Again, though, is the fall Obama's fault? Certainly not. Is the "recovery" Obama's fault? Possibly. The real question: is said recovery enough for him to be re-elected? Would a Republican administration have handled the housing crisis better? If so, how exactly?
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GOP candidates clash over US space exploration future:

Newt Gingrich wants Moon Base by 2020 Channels Kennedy

http://www.foxnews.c...intcmp=features

What do you all make of the GOP on their space issues? I am shocked that the media is giving Newt a hard time and not even considering his ideas. They are the ones that are tired of all the oil wars. Do you know what will stop this? Mining the Moon!!!! Kennedy did the same thing and is seen as one of the best Presidents in history even though he had a questionable past with the bootleggers.

I copied this from one of the comments from the article because it illustrates my point clearly:

What a lot of the anti-space crowd doesn't understand is that we shipped out / sold out the technology and tooling that we had developed in the USA that supported middle class jobs. Television, microchips, computers, calculators, wireless phones, DVD players, IPODS. That technology is gone for good now, in China, Vietnam, Korea, etc. We either all flip hamburgers for each other OR we develop NEW technology. The world's leading expert on Solar Power technology? NASA! World's leading experts on compact nuclear power? US Navy and NASA! Water purification and recycling in compact units? NASA! Who besides NASA and the military does advanced research these days in the USA? Not corporations! Spending money on space produces jobs, both directly and indirectly. It gives us something to build a new economy upon. Bank bailouts and welfare give us nothing but more future bills!


I'm no fan of big government but when Obama cuts NASA the ONLY government program that can actually do the things he wants and when three of the four candidates for President do not support space travel at all. It really makes me upset. Newt's got my vote and it could be solely for this! But I've been liking him more and more lately.

Edited by jjf3, 28 January 2012 - 04:22 AM.

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when Obama cuts NASA


Obama isn't cutting NASA. In fact the budget is actually increasing and will reach nearly $21 billion by 2015. The new rockets they're developing will enable manned missions to the Moon and Mars.

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Mitt Romney pulls away from Newt Gingrich in Florida

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Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is pulling away from his nearest rival Newt Gingrich, with a nine-point lead in Florida's opinion polls.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-16767335
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I think you should double check your math will.

http://cs.astronomy....he-results.aspx

http://www.space.com...udget-cuts.html
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Rick Santorum Temporarily Suspends Campaign to be with Sick Daughter:

http://www.washingto...pm_politics_pop

Is Ricky going to drop out soon? Health problems probably impact a campaign on a personal level far more than the sexual allegations of previous candidates. For now Santorum has cancelled a few events, but still plans to keep fighting. I wonder if he will suspend the campaign, he seems to love his family and if the condition gets worse, i feel that that would be the best thing to do. Either way, I hope his daughter is doing ok :-(

Edited by jjf3, 29 January 2012 - 07:04 AM.

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Real Clear Politics, latest poll results:

http://www.realclear...candidates.html

Obama 47.3% Romney 45.3%
Obama 51.7% Gingrich 39.3%
Obama 50.6% Santorum 40.6%
Obama 47.7% Ron Paul 42.3%

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Bleh. Looks like there's no good way for USA. Kinda like our elections here.
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