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[Roh234]

Personally, I do not think that Obama will be re-elected, and I pray to God that the next president we have is someone of calibre who deeply cares for our country, and helps her reach her potential.

Who we need for president, in my opinion, (and my sentiments have been heightened after witnessing the debacle that was the debate on the debt ceiling) is someone not concerned with a party, but someone who is concerned for the country. We need nothing more than someone who honestly cares for this country, and has the know-how and drive to see to it that the United States of America begins to fix herself, rather than continue this self-mutilation. The best way that I can see this country turning around would be through the dissolving of the political parties, and, rather, allowing people to represent the country, rather than a group with a collective interest. I agree most with George Washington when he said that, "We must drive far away the daemon party spirit and local reproach". For too long have the petty differences and beliefs of the few infected the decisions that affect this country.

We have, essentially, become a country represented by children, rather than adults.

The solution would be to add a constitutional amendment that would make it illegal for any political position serving public office to receive money from anyone, any business, individual, or PAC whatsoever. Not even 1 dollar. Eradicate all money from politics and public office. Elections would be funded by tax payer money only, and they're allowed a certain amount and that's it.

I agree with you but how are candiates going to recieve money? That will cause an increase in candiates. I think a 10% public support requirement is needed.

[KingstonDon]

Personally, I do not think that Obama will be re-elected, and I pray to God that the next president we have is someone of calibre who deeply cares for our country, and helps her reach her potential.

Who we need for president, in my opinion, (and my sentiments have been heightened after witnessing the debacle that was the debate on the debt ceiling) is someone not concerned with a party, but someone who is concerned for the country. We need nothing more than someone who honestly cares for this country, and has the know-how and drive to see to it that the United States of America begins to fix herself, rather than continue this self-mutilation. The best way that I can see this country turning around would be through the dissolving of the political parties, and, rather, allowing people to represent the country, rather than a group with a collective interest. I agree most with George Washington when he said that, "We must drive far away the daemon party spirit and local reproach". For too long have the petty differences and beliefs of the few infected the decisions that affect this country.

We have, essentially, become a country represented by children, rather than adults.

The solution would be to add a constitutional amendment that would make it illegal for any political position serving public office to receive money from anyone, any business, individual, or PAC whatsoever. Not even 1 dollar. Eradicate all money from politics and public office. Elections would be funded by tax payer money only, and they're allowed a certain amount and that's it.

This is how it is in some european countries (ex. Belgium), there are no public donations to parties and campaigns but the funds allocated to you by the government i.e. Tax payer money. I think that may be why the politicians here aren't as "sensationalist" and campaign trails seem more "boring" as no one's really concerned about getting the funds from their supporters and they don't have as much cash to their disposal.

We have 11 active political parties in Belgium, each receiving donations - not very much - and each as we speak is negotiating to be in the next government. Because in our parliamentary system a majority is required to form and constitute the government. But no 3 parties have a majority while because of constitutionalism parties of both language groups are required to participate in the federal government.

Mind you, Belgium hasn't had a government in the last 400+ days but it isn't that far off anymore!
Still though, it wouldn't solve all your problems but it might change things for the better in America if it were so ...

[truthiness]

Still though, it wouldn't solve all your problems but it might change things for the better in America if it were so ...

Oh, absolutely... It certainly couldn't hurt.

But, how in the world do we get to a constitutional amendment banning campaign contributions and allocating taxpayer money as the sole source for funding elections? The two party system is thoroughly entrenched, and neither party would support such an amendment, unless one of the two parties found itself as a hopelessly small minority, and even then it'd be a move of sheer desperation.

How many of the Americans here would honestly vote for a third party candidate in the 2012 elections? The stigma of Ralph Nader will haunt any third-party candidate... The Republicans can and will shut down a Libertarian / Tea Party candidate by declaring that a vote for him is a vote for Obama, and the Democrats can and will shut down a Socialist / Occupier candidate by declaring that a vote for him is a vote for the Republicans. Every four years we choose the lesser of two evils, and every four years we all lose.

[Prolite]

Still though, it wouldn't solve all your problems but it might change things for the better in America if it were so ...

Oh, absolutely... It certainly couldn't hurt.

But, how in the world do we get to a constitutional amendment banning campaign contributions and allocating taxpayer money as the sole source for funding elections? The two party system is thoroughly entrenched, and neither party would support such an amendment, unless one of the two parties found itself as a hopelessly small minority, and even then it'd be a move of sheer desperation.

How many of the Americans here would honestly vote for a third party candidate in the 2012 elections? The stigma of Ralph Nader will haunt any third-party candidate... The Republicans can and will shut down a Libertarian / Tea Party candidate by declaring that a vote for him is a vote for Obama, and the Democrats can and will shut down a Socialist / Occupier candidate by declaring that a vote for him is a vote for the Republicans. Every four years we choose the lesser of two evils, and every four years we all lose.

I didn't say it wasn't going to be a great challenge.

[jjf3]

Ron Paul will announce his plans on Monday:

Known points as for now:

• Abolish Department of Energy
  
• Abolish Department of Education
  
• Abolish Department of Housing and Urban Development
  
• Abolish Department of Commerce and Interior
  
• Will take a $40,000 salary
  
• Will Cut $1 Trillion in Government spending

I couldn't find this on any mainstream website, well because the mainstream always seem to ignore Ron Paul. I am sure he will have things in the plan to please the lefties as well. Maybe its time for something a little bit different from the norm. Herman Cain is starting to rub me in the wrong direction. People should be allowed to protest, if you want to be President you can't go around slamming protesters before your even in office.

http://blogs.cbn.com...taries-and.aspx

[Unrequited Lust]

Herman Cain sure is doing well right now.

[Logically Irrational]

I thought this was pretty funny.

http://www.huffingto..._n_1008952.html

WASHINGTON -- In Herman Cain's America, the tax code would by very, very simple: The corporate income tax rate would be 9 percent, the personal income tax rate would be 9 percent and the national sales tax rate would be 9 percent.

But there's already a 999 plan out there, in a land called SimCity.

Long before Cain was running for president and getting attention for his 999 plan, the residents of SimCity 4 -- which was released in 2003 -- were living under a system where the default tax rate was 9 percent for commercial taxes, 9 percent for industrial taxes and 9 percent for residential taxes. (That is, of course, if you didn't use the cheat codes to get unlimited money and avoid taxes altogether.)

A screenshot from the game's default settings:

[KingstonDon]

Ron Paul will announce his plans on Monday:

Known points as for now:

• Abolish Department of Energy
  
• Abolish Department of Education
  
• Abolish Department of Housing and Urban Development
  
• Abolish Department of Commerce and Interior
  
• Will take a $40,000 salary
  
• Will Cut $1 Trillion in Government spending

I couldn't find this on any mainstream website, well because the mainstream always seem to ignore Ron Paul. I am sure he will have things in the plan to please the lefties as well. Maybe its time for something a little bit different from the norm. Herman Cain is starting to rub me in the wrong direction. People should be allowed to protest, if you want to be President you can't go around slamming protesters before your even in office.


http://blogs.cbn.com...taries-and.aspx

Can I politely ask what he will do with the tasks that these "unnecessary" Departments fulfilled?
Delegate them all to the states and local governments?

[jjf3]

Can I politely ask what he will do with the tasks that these "unnecessary" Departments fulfilled?
Delegate them all to the states and local governments?

He will be announcing everything on Monday. He says that he can change some things around I guess. Not too sure we'll find out on Monday I guess. But the thing about Ron Paul is that he's been working on his agenda for the past 20 years and hasn't strayed from it ever.

[Unrequited Lust]

Ron Paul will announce his plans on Monday:

Known points as for now:

• Abolish Department of Energy
  
• Abolish Department of Education
  
• Abolish Department of Housing and Urban Development
  
• Abolish Department of Commerce and Interior
  
• Will take a $40,000 salary
  
• Will Cut $1 Trillion in Government spending

I couldn't find this on any mainstream website, well because the mainstream always seem to ignore Ron Paul. I am sure he will have things in the plan to please the lefties as well. Maybe its time for something a little bit different from the norm. Herman Cain is starting to rub me in the wrong direction. People should be allowed to protest, if you want to be President you can't go around slamming protesters before your even in office.



http://blogs.cbn.com...taries-and.aspx

Can I politely ask what he will do with the tasks that these "unnecessary" Departments fulfilled?
Delegate them all to the states and local governments?

Yup. You're not from America so I will point you to our 10th amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

What are these powers? Well we have a place in our Constitution that explains that as well. Article 1 Section 8. Notice how none of the things those departments do are in there, meaning they are unconstitutional.

You live in a much smaller country (Belgium, right?), so it makes sense to have things more centralized. But America's a lot bigger. Having these many bureaucracies at the local, state, and federal level is wasteful and ineffective.

[jjf3]

I thought this was pretty funny.

http://www.huffingto..._n_1008952.html

WASHINGTON -- In Herman Cain's America, the tax code would by very, very simple: The corporate income tax rate would be 9 percent, the personal income tax rate would be 9 percent and the national sales tax rate would be 9 percent.

But there's already a 999 plan out there, in a land called SimCity.

Long before Cain was running for president and getting attention for his 999 plan, the residents of SimCity 4 -- which was released in 2003 -- were living under a system where the default tax rate was 9 percent for commercial taxes, 9 percent for industrial taxes and 9 percent for residential taxes. (That is, of course, if you didn't use the cheat codes to get unlimited money and avoid taxes altogether.)

A screenshot from the game's default settings:

HAHA! Is THAT really the best the left can do to find a problem with Herman Cain's Economics?? The man is a genius, you can't make a genius look like he doesn't know what he is talking about!!! Nice try.

[Unrequited Lust]

Art Laffer officially endorses Cain's 999 plan.

http://www.theblaze....wonderful-plan/

I would've found an unbiased source, but it seems there aren't any lol. I guess only the far right cares about what the pioneer of supply-side economics has to say.

On the other side, Jared Bernstein claims that 999 plan will be harder on lower and middle income families.

http://jaredbernstei...g-cain-version/

Looks like the latter has facts on its side.

http://www.freedomwo...bad-and-the-ugl
http://www.washingto...szPgL_blog.html

Does anyone know if Cain has an analysis of the research that went into his plan?

[jjf3]

Looks like Ron Paul will win Nevada lolz. No one else will be there!!!!

http://thehill.com/b...g-nevada-caucus

[Prolite]

Mitt Romney will win the elections and at which point, he will lose badly to Obama.

[Unrequited Lust]

Mitt Romney will win the elections and at which point, he will lose badly to Obama.

Don't be so sure. Hermain Cain has been number 1 in the polls for almost a week now.

[Prolite]

Mitt Romney will win the elections and at which point, he will lose badly to Obama.

Don't be so sure. Hermain Cain has been number 1 in the polls for almost a week now.

ooohhh wow, a week lol. Herman Cain is unelectable. His 9-9-9 plan eradicates Medicare and Social Security, not to mention makes everyone who makes 44 grand a year (or something around that number) pay an EXTRA 9% federal income tax. The working poor and middle class in that income range are placed into a different tax bracket - - sort of speak. Besides, Herman Cain is an ultra-conservative far far far FAR far right wing Republican. Any further to the right of Herman Cain, you'll end up in a mental institution.

[Unrequited Lust]

Mitt Romney will win the elections and at which point, he will lose badly to Obama.

Don't be so sure. Hermain Cain has been number 1 in the polls for almost a week now.

ooohhh wow, a week lol. Herman Cain is unelectable. His 9-9-9 plan eradicates Medicare and Social Security, not to mention makes everyone who makes 44 grand a year (or something around that number) pay an EXTRA 9% federal income tax. The working poor and middle class in that income range are placed into a different tax bracket - - sort of speak. Besides, Herman Cain is an ultra-conservative far far far FAR far right wing Republican. Any further to the right of Herman Cain, you'll end up in a mental institution.

lol if someone has a different political position than you, it doesn't mean there's anything mentally wrong with them. Still waiting on the peer reviewed research that supports your "Republican brain" theory.

999 will not get rid of medicare or SS. Will it put a higher burden on the lower and middle class? Yeah, probably, from everything I've read. And I'd place Ron Paul further to the right than Cain, at least in terms of fiscal issues.

[jjf3]

http://articles.nyda...poll-gop-voters

Herman Cain is now at 18% in the national polls 2% behind Romney. So yeah he is a front runner now!

[Prolite]

999 will not get rid of medicare or SS. Will it put a higher burden on the lower and middle class? Yeah, probably, from everything I've read. And I'd place Ron Paul further to the right than Cain, at least in terms of fiscal issues.

Haven't you heard? Ron Paul is a mental nut case. He is. He wants to eradicate everything practically, except for national defense. Why would I think anything normal of someone who wants to gut the government? Maybe if I was in a drunken' stopper while at the ballot box...

[truthiness]

From what I understand about this 9-9-9 plan, taxes on income will be leveled off at 9% for everyone (an increase for the poor and a cut for the rich), and sales taxes (which affect just about everyone equally anyway) will be increased to 9%...

He wants to cut taxes to the rich (even more), and raise taxes on everyone else to compensate in the interest of "fairness"?

Wow... didn't we already decide that this "trickle-down" nonsense doesn't work?

How will the class formerly known as "the middle" benefit from having their taxes raised while still languishing in debt worrying about how to survive if they ever lose their job, or worrying about getting sick because they can't afford either health insurance or to get sick and lose their job?

Are we to believe that the rich will generously offer the rest of us decent jobs and pull out of factories in Mexico or China if only we eased up on their taxes a bit?

They won't. They'll keep those factories open, and when Americans can no afford the useless junk that those factories pump out using bottom-of-the-barrel labor, the rich will look to sell that same junk to the Mexicans or the Chinese, only this time they'll produce it in Bangladesh or Nigeria. The capitalist monster must be fed. That's all that's important.