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[jjf3]

No. I was just saying to do some research before claiming something about republicans when its absolutely ridiculous. I am talking about the claim you made earlier when you said republicans are born angry and live off fear. That is NOT true at all. Not even 1% True.

If you would change your theory to all POLITICIANS are born angry and live off fear, well then I would have to agree with that.

[Unrequited Lust]

Go ahead and find out where exactly the 999 plan calls for the end of SS and medicare. I dare you. You're just making shit up. That's called fear mongering, and it's one of politic's most eminent logical fallacies.

From Cain's website:
"Removes all payroll taxes and unites all tax payers."
Social Security and Medicare are part of payroll taxes:
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Payroll_tax


Cain insinuates it here:
"The federal government has imposed expensive and often counter-productive social and welfare programs on the states and the people. It is time to admit the mistakes, and get the federal government out of the way. This will allow states, cities, churches, charities and businesses to offer a helping hand instead of a handout where they live. People closest to the problems are the best ones to solve the problems effectively. We can fulfill our responsibility to our golden age citizens and future retirees by empowering them instead of restricting them."

So in other words you have nothing but the elimination of payroll taxes and a quote from Cain that's just like every other generic Republican quote.

999, while raising taxes on the middle and lower class, is revenue neutral. There is nothing in 999 that says SS and medicare would end. Even if Cain has expressed support of elimination of these programs, this says nothing about 999.

To be clear, I don't agree with 999.

[jjf3]

If it IS true as Dr. Paul says, and as I believe, that the politicians are chosen by investors and private interest groups using fundraiser$$$ Then maybe we shouldn't be looking at the media controlled poll numbers at all. We SHOULD be looking at their cash flow (By fundraising only)

In 2008 Obama's Hope and Change message radiated throughout America and he raises an astonishing: $750 Million
McCain only raised $320 Million.
http://abcnews.go.co...=6397572&page=1

So with this in mind let's see who's REALLY leading the pack

Obama is in the lead with $70 Million: http://www.politico....1011/65845.html

Rick Perry comes in first place with $17.2 Million http://www.huffingto..._n_1012649.html

Mitt Romney comes in second place with $15 Million http://www.huffingto..._n_1012649.html

Ron Paul Comes in third place with $8 Million and is holding a massive online fundraising campaign tonight (Right now)-- so it's bound to increase and be updated tomorrow (At the rate its going it will have raised over a Million in an hour (From Paul's Facebook Page) )
http://opinion.latim...undraising.html

Herman Cain is in forth with only $2.8 Billion: http://www.cnbc.com/...will_be_tougher

The difference here is that Ron Paul's money comes from everyday people and our Soldiers. While both Mitt Romney and Obama tap big banks and special interests. http://www.opensecre....php?cycle=2012

[jjf3]

Oh and then there is also this: http://global.christ...ew-study-58384/

[jjf3]

Perry got killed again last night, he should just shut up!!!!

[Prolite]

I must admit that Ron Paul is the only candidate that appears to be a descent person. Mitt Romney COULD be a nice guy, but I truly believe he's just a flake. He's borderline narcissistic. All of the other Republican candidates in my opinion, are assholes. Newt Gingrich and Michelle Bauchamnn being the worst offenders. Perry is all about ego. Santorum is a bible-thumping know-it-all, and Herman Cain has an over-inflated ego with a power complex. I'm not sure he's a narcissist, but I wouldn't bet against it.

[jjf3]

Ron Paul raised $1 Million over night and is still growing!!!!

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

[Prolite]

Ron Paul's views are extreme.

[Prolite]

LoL, Rick Perry is trying to chase down the cans from behind the car of Herman Cain. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney is up the road and about to dump the clutch to 3rd gear. Once primaries are over, Mitt Romney is going to "make car like plane" and fly off the cliff lol lol.

[jjf3]

Herman Cain Topples Mitt Romney in latest polls.

http://www.cbsnews.c...t-cbs-nyt-poll/

[Unrequited Lust]

lol every economic analysis confirms that 999 would be disastrous

[truthiness]

I must admit that Ron Paul is the only candidate that appears to be a descent person.

Take a look at John Huntsman... he's still in it... technically, anyway.

[jjf3]

I hope Mr. Huntsman gets something going soon. He was on Colbert last night but sucking up to the media isn't going to get much attention. He has to stand out. People (especially many on the republican side) like simplicity and that's why Herman Cain has been surging lately. But now, because people are tearing up his plan, he will seriously need to sit down and reconfigure it.

[Unrequited Lust]

I hope Mr. Huntsman gets something going soon. He was on Colbert last night but sucking up to the media isn't going to get much attention. He has to stand out. People (especially many on the republican side) like simplicity and that's why Herman Cain has been surging lately. But now, because people are tearing up his plan, he will seriously need to sit down and reconfigure it.

He already did. It's now 9-0-9 plan for lower income Americans, meaning they don't pay income taxes. He claims that provision was always there but he just never mentioned it before. Considering he says this directly after the debate where every other candidate points out that every economic analysis reveals how damaging 999 would be to anyone who isn't super rich, I'm going to guess that the public is going to correctly conjecture that he pulled this out of his ass after realizing the plan he pulled out of his ass would undergo actual economic scrutiny.

Hermain Cain has virtually no idea what he's talking about and I don't trust him in the least. And America's very own spawn of Satan agrees:

[jjf3]

Yup Consider who had surged in the Republicans recently Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Herman Cain. Forget that they are tea party (or in Herman's case as close to tea party as you can get). These people are simplifying everything to the idiots in the republican party. This is why liberals laugh at them. They laugh at liberals for wanting a large gov't but when the Republicans listen to anybody with a simple message things get out of control really fast. You just can't take everything at face value in politics.

[Roh234]

I prefer a 9-9-0 plan for those making a lower income and a 9-9-5 fpr the middle class and 9-9-9 for the rich.

[Prolite]

Liberals aren't about big government these days. Most liberals want the same thing Republicans want: a thriving economy, a national debt that's getting paid off, a fair tax system, a political system that's rid of money, end of these wars, and cheaper energy. But for heaven sake, if taxes go up for ANYONE even if it's just the super rich, Republicans call that "big government." These days, Republicans call everything big government that doesn't agree with their terms. It's insane. Than they proceed to whip out the whole "class warfare" remarks. blah blah blah.....

[Prolite]

Why not have a tax plan that gives the most tax cuts to those who are the poorest? Poor people don't hold onto their money, because they don't have money to hold onto. It's all about consumer spending to fix the economy. The housing market stinks and so does the economy. Why the housing market? Because the consumer would normally refinance their home and use that extra money to buy things. Consumer spending. Republicans deny this.

[Unrequited Lust]

Liberals aren't about big government these days. Most liberals want the same thing Republicans want: a thriving economy, a national debt that's getting paid off, a fair tax system, a political system that's rid of money, end of these wars, and cheaper energy. But for heaven sake, if taxes go up for ANYONE even if it's just the super rich, Republicans call that "big government." These days, Republicans call everything big government that doesn't agree with their terms. It's insane. Than they proceed to whip out the whole "class warfare" remarks. blah blah blah.....

I strongly detest Eric Cantor. And he's Jewish too, that's the weird thing.

[jjf3]

Liberals aren't about big government these days.

That's the problem right there. How do you think you are going to get and enforce all of the things you listed below?

• a thriving economy- Liberals want public sector jobs and to protect union jobs
  
• a national debt that's getting paid off- More Spending? Obama only cut NASA's budget.
  
• a fair tax system- I'll give you that one, it is a mess
  
• a political system that's rid of money- Not going to happen w/o huge gov't overtones and still not going to happen because politicians are crooks and easily bought off. (on both sides btw!)
  
• end of these wars-- World peace? Never going to happen. End of wars? Possibly...
  
• cheaper energy-- government subsidies?

But for heaven sake, if taxes go up for ANYONE even if it's just the super rich, Republicans call that "big government." These days, Republicans call everything big government that doesn't agree with their terms. It's insane. Than they proceed to whip out the whole "class warfare" remarks. blah blah blah.....

There you go again. The tea party hates taxes and far-right conservatives hate any type of taxes. Ron Paul and Tea Party want to get rid of the tax system all together. Most​ Republicans understand that we need to cut taxes on businesses so they are not afraid to make profit as is reality during this administration. You want distribution of wealth? Then allow businesses the freedom to generate wealth. Make it easier to start businesses and educate the people on how to do so. Give them easy access to the 1% so that they can be inspired to make it there. Many people expect something for nothing.

And most liberals understand that people need to live comfortably and not get taxed to death if they are seen as some type of minority or burden of society. However, we have to figure out a way to PAY for those benefits. Just raising taxes will not accomplish much.