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[Unrequited Lust]

I've already answered that the previous post. Romney has the best chance. They both have a chance to come out on top.

I looked more closely at the numbers and think progress has once again messed with the facts. I bet you didn't go to the Fox News link where it shows Obamas current ratings at 43% approval and has been going downhill since Feb.

63% disapprove what democrats are doing in congress. 69% disapprove with Republicans in Congress.

76% currently disapprove where the country is going under Obama's Leadership.

If you are hired for a job, in Obama's case, Fix the country. And you fail at that job. Country is still fragile. Then you will be replaced.

lol I already pointed out that the majority of people believe that Obama's policies would be effective if the Republicans in Congress passed them. 84% of people disapprove of Congress i.e. the one with a big Republican majority in it. In every competitive poll Obama always comes out on top. It's not about "approval ratings." It's about people approving of Romney/Perry/Cain less.

You realize their approval rating is low because there is no offical runner up for the GOP and the support is spit up. Once the GOP has nominates a candiate, you will be astondished for the 'not Obama category.'

What are you talking about? There is no connection between the polls regarding Romney/Perry/Cain and the polls regarding those vs. Obama.

As a matter of fact, Obama routinely beats out Romney/Perry/Cain. http://www.dailykos....ney-by-5-points

lol Obama isn't even worried about the reelection. He usually laughs off the potential candidates in interviews as does the rest of America save the most radical of the Republican party. I mean Pat Robertson, the guy who said God was creating hurricanes because America wasn't killing gay people, said the Republican party will lose if they don't quit their ridiculous bullshit. You can probably blame the Tea Party for that.

I mean look at Cain. He is a fucking stupid motherfucker. Anyone who isn't fringe is gaping in disbelief.

[Roh234]

I've already answered that the previous post. Romney has the best chance. They both have a chance to come out on top.

I looked more closely at the numbers and think progress has once again messed with the facts. I bet you didn't go to the Fox News link where it shows Obamas current ratings at 43% approval and has been going downhill since Feb.

63% disapprove what democrats are doing in congress. 69% disapprove with Republicans in Congress.

76% currently disapprove where the country is going under Obama's Leadership.

If you are hired for a job, in Obama's case, Fix the country. And you fail at that job. Country is still fragile. Then you will be replaced.

lol I already pointed out that the majority of people believe that Obama's policies would be effective if the Republicans in Congress passed them. 84% of people disapprove of Congress i.e. the one with a big Republican majority in it. In every competitive poll Obama always comes out on top. It's not about "approval ratings." It's about people approving of Romney/Perry/Cain less.

You realize their approval rating is low because there is no offical runner up for the GOP and the support is spit up. Once the GOP has nominates a candiate, you will be astondished for the 'not Obama category.'

What are you talking about? There is no connection between the polls regarding Romney/Perry/Cain and the polls regarding those vs. Obama.

As a matter of fact, Obama routinely beats out Romney/Perry/Cain. http://www.dailykos....ney-by-5-points

lol Obama isn't even worried about the reelection. He usually laughs off the potential candidates in interviews as does the rest of America save the most radical of the Republican party. I mean Pat Robertson, the guy who said God was creating hurricanes because America wasn't killing gay people, said the Republican party will lose if they don't quit their ridiculous bullshit. You can probably blame the Tea Party for that.

I mean look at Cain. He is a fucking stupid motherfucker. Anyone who isn't fringe is gaping in disbelief.

The GOP candiate has 46% of the vote accoring to Gallup.

http://www.gallup.co...l/election.aspx

You don't put social conservative with those economic conservatives. I don't like the GOP candiates but calling them fringe right is WRONG.

Mitt Romney is a flip flopper and has RomneyCare. He is a full White, Mormon version of Obama. Some say he is more left than Obama.
Rick Perry is an asswipe. Free tution for Illegals and his involvement with Gore.
Cain has a decent 9-9-9 plan but it needs fixing. If he drops his 9% sales tax things wouldn't be bad.

The only person who you can geniunly call fringe is Rick Santorium.

The average Ameican wants jobs, the ending of wars.

[truthiness]

The Gallup poll just referenced has been jostling all over the place since first being asked. It's been asked once a month since February, and has seen Obama winning twice, a tie 3 times, and the "generic GOP candidate" winning 4 times. Overall, the generic GOP candidate is winning that poll - but - the trouble is that this is a candidate whose only real trait is that he isn't Barack Obama.

In the general election, Obama won't be running against the man behind curtain number two. He'll be running against an opponent - a very human opponent with character flaws, who'll say and do things that will personally turn people off.

What I think is the real message from surveys like these is that 38% of all voters will vote for Obama against a republican candidate - any republican candidate. The Republicans will need to win over a strong majority of the remaining 62% of voters in order to win. Can it be done? Sure. Can the current leading candidates in the GOP pull it off? Not so sure.

[Roh234]

I'm not saying that Obama will lose. I personally hate that kind of attitude, and that's how the Democrats lost many seats in 2010.

UL is implying that the GOP has no chance in 2012 which is false.

[jjf3]

What are you talking about? There is no connection between the polls regarding Romney/Perry/Cain and the polls regarding those vs. Obama.

Are you blind? Or do you just completely disregard the gallup poll because of some reason which you will address when you respond to me? I think the reason there is no poll for Romney Vs Obama, Perry VS Obama, Cain VS Obama yet, is because its still very early in the race. There is still a year left until the election. I would say you will start to see these polls pop up during the primaries. Where many people will get eliminated in the race.

I mean look at Cain. He is a fucking stupid motherfucker. Anyone who isn't fringe is gaping in disbelief.

That article is a complete joke. It was ALL left wing opinionated crap. Oh, Conservatives should listen to Carl Rove and Cain is from an alternate dimension? Seriously. I thought you were smarter than that. Actually the one thing, the article does prove is that the left media is very afraid of Herman Cain, because they still cannot honestly understand how Republicans could nominate a black man.

This is why I don't care much for political polls!

[Unrequited Lust]

What are you talking about? There is no connection between the polls regarding Romney/Perry/Cain and the polls regarding those vs. Obama.

Are you blind? Or do you just completely disregard the gallup poll because of some reason which you will address when you respond to me? I think the reason there is no poll for Romney Vs Obama, Perry VS Obama, Cain VS Obama yet, is because its still very early in the race. There is still a year left until the election. I would say you will start to see these polls pop up during the primaries. Where many people will get eliminated in the race.

I mean look at Cain. He is a fucking stupid motherfucker. Anyone who isn't fringe is gaping in disbelief.

That article is a complete joke. It was ALL left wing opinionated crap. Oh, Conservatives should listen to Carl Rove and Cain is from an alternate dimension? Seriously. I thought you were smarter than that. Actually the one thing, the article does prove is that the left media is very afraid of Herman Cain, because they still cannot honestly understand how Republicans could nominate a black man.

This is why I don't care much for political polls!

1. Apparently you missed the link I posted where Obama beats Romney/Perry/Cain.

2. lol you can't be serious about Cain. Reality has such a well known liberal bias. He's a complete joke.

[Prolite]

Herman Cain is running a fake presidential campaign to sell books. He's a business man, who could blame the guy?

[jjf3]

No, Remember I said Romney has the best shot...

I actually think Cain is all media hype right now, he still needs to work out a lot of kinks to be taken seriously by any moderate republican or independent such as myself. The only difference between Bachmann, Perry and Cain is that Cain will work out the kinks because he's a freaking rocket scientist! I think he can figure out how to run a campaign. Right now he is definitely shooting for Tea Party support, but soon he will have to move more towards the center and you will begin to see him attack Romney and maybe even talk to some democrats. It could very well wind down to Cain VS Romney later on in the race.

[Unrequited Lust]

Herman Cain is running a fake presidential campaign to sell books. He's a business man, who could blame the guy?

I wouldn't say it's fake. But I would say that he sees the selling of his books as an added bonus. His antics sure do suggest that he isn't really taking this seriously.

@jjf3 he has a degree in mathematics. In other words, he has no experience or education in political or economic matters. Meaning your point about him being a "rocket scientist" is bullshit.

[jjf3]

First off, he has a Masters in Computer Science as well. And numerous honorary degrees.

Second he worked as a Ballistic Analyst for the US navy-- you know somebody who tests weapons and rockets!!!

Third he has a proven track record as a successful Businessman. Being head of Federal Reserve Bank in Kansas and the Success of GodFather's Pizza. He is a self made millionaire

So I wouldn't say he knows nothing about rockets and economics. Stop making up your own facts!

http://en.wikipedia....tion_and_honors

[Unrequited Lust]

First off, he has a Masters in Computer Science as well. And numerous honorary degrees.

Second he worked as a Ballistic Analyst for the US navy-- you know somebody who tests weapons and rockets!!!

Third he has a proven track record as a successful Businessman. Being head of Federal Reserve Bank in Kansas and the Success of GodFather's Pizza. He is a self made millionaire

So I wouldn't say he knows nothing about rockets and economics. Stop making up your own facts!

http://en.wikipedia....tion_and_honors

lol you do fucking realize that "rocket science" is a filler word for anything that requires many years of discipline and education to accomplish. Ergo, I didn't literally mean that Cain isn't a "rocket scientist" (although that does come as a surprise). This should've been patently obvious to you considering rocket science and politics have absolutely nothing in common. The argument isn't whether he would make a good rocket scientist, it's whether he would make a good president. Which is why it is a little bizarre that you felt like pointing out that Cain does have experience with literal rocket science as if this could actually be used as an argument.

On to economics. Business and politics don't usually intermix, which is why enormously successful people on Wall Street usually do bad as Secretary of Treasuries. Second of all, he has experience with the Federal Reserve yet in a debate he said Alan Greenspan was historically its best chairman when in reality Greenspan is arguably its most disastrous. His policies are one of the chief reasons of the 2007-2008 financial crisis. Directly after Cain said this, Ron Paul pointed out that Cain is a fucking idiot for thinking that Greenspan was a good chairman, much less the "best," for the reasons I just specified (although in a more politically correct manner; he is running for president). So no, I don't trust Cain's knowledge of economics.

[jjf3]

You said Cain knows nothing about economics and him being a rocket scientist is bullshit. Which is simply wrong. Nothing you can say can say will change the fact that your facts were wrong. Your doing the same thing you told me not to do just because you think Cain is an idiot. Remember opinions aren't facts?

[Prolite]

Herman Cain's purpose for running for President is to sell books and make money. He didn't run for President to become President. He's a business man and saw an opportunity and an investment to get a much greater return on his investment by being in the national spotlight. That is also why Donald Trump pretended run for President as well as Sarah Palin. They are all business people just doing business things. "Selling books is an added bonus" is obviously false and said verbatim on Fox News. Fox News has literally said that same exact line, word-by-word, to support the Republican Party. You would be a fool to argue with me about business.

[jjf3]

Where is your proof about this Herman Cain fake presidential run? Romney talks more about his book than does Cain.

[Prolite]

On to economics. Business and politics don't usually intermix, which is why enormously successful people on Wall Street usually do bad as Secretary of Treasuries.

Lobbyists? Big Oil? Big Pharma? "Citizens United"? Money laundering? DUDE, WHAT UNIVERSE ARE YOU LIVING IN!? Your statement above is utterly false. Go back to living under a rock little man.

[Prolite]

Where is your proof about this Herman Cain fake presidential run? Romney talks more about his book than does Cain.

Just turn on your damn television. It's blatantly obvious. You're only 20 years old, so I'll give you some lee-way for not seeing this, but wake up and smell reality and turn off Fox News.

[Unrequited Lust]

You said Cain knows nothing about economics and him being a rocket scientist is bullshit. Which is simply wrong. Nothing you can say can say will change the fact that your facts were wrong. Your doing the same thing you told me not to do just because you think Cain is an idiot. Remember opinions aren't facts?

>"Rocket science" is an expression dumbass. I didn't literally mean he wasn't a rocket scientist.
>He holds no degree in economics or political science. His comment about Greenspan and his 999 plan are proof that he knows nothing about economics.

Those are my arguments. I'm not twisting anything. Alan Greenspan was uncontroversially disastrous and every economist has rejected the 999 plan.

[Unrequited Lust]

On to economics. Business and politics don't usually intermix, which is why enormously successful people on Wall Street usually do bad as Secretary of Treasuries.

Lobbyists? Big Oil? Big Pharma? "Citizens United"? Money laundering? DUDE, WHAT UNIVERSE ARE YOU LIVING IN!? Your statement above is not only false. Go back to living under a rock little man.

lol "little man." You're too transparent.

Look at the example I gave. When I said "intermix" I meant successfully intermix. Considering I've been disparaging the current business-political relationship for pretty much my entire time on this forum, I know that you knew that. You're just grasping for straws in a pathetic cheap shot.

For a 30-year old you're embarrassingly immature.

[jjf3]

Where is your proof about this Herman Cain fake presidential run? Romney talks more about his book than does Cain.

Just turn on your damn television. It's blatantly obvious. You're only 20 years old, so I'll give you some lee-way for not seeing this, but wake up and smell reality and turn off Fox News.

I watch the news (CNN and FOX) all the time I see no talk of this Herman Cain fake run you talk of. I am 22 anyway. I see people tearing him apart saying he's the flavor of the week. But I think everybody on the GOP ballot seriously wants to and thinks they can win the nominee.

[Prolite]

On to economics. Business and politics don't usually intermix, which is why enormously successful people on Wall Street usually do bad as Secretary of Treasuries.

Lobbyists? Big Oil? Big Pharma? "Citizens United"? Money laundering? DUDE, WHAT UNIVERSE ARE YOU LIVING IN!? Your statement above is not only false. Go back to living under a rock little man.

lol "little man." You're too transparent.

Look at the example I gave. When I said "intermix" I meant successfully intermix. Considering I've been disparaging the current business-political relationship for pretty much my entire time on this forum, I know that you knew that. You're just grasping for straws in a pathetic cheap shot.

For a 30-year old you're embarrassingly immature.

Let me wake your eyes to reality: Lobbyists? Big Oil? Big Pharma? "Citizens United"? Money laundering? DUDE, WHAT UNIVERSE ARE YOU LIVING IN!? Your statement above is utterly false. Go back to living under a rock little man.