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Getting rid of that 2082 U.S. secession of territory to Mexico part


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I hate to be a nuisance, but I strongly think that this prediction should be gotten rid of: http://www.futuretim...o-usa-territory

 

After all, I would think that most Hispanics and Latinos in the U.S. will eventually integrate and assimilate into mainstream American culture and society (if they have not done so already, that is). Plus, in addition, I am extremely skeptical that the U.S. will voluntarily give up any territory considering that it went to war and won the last time that someone (in this case, the Confederates) tried making the U.S. lose some of its own territory.



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Hope you're right. ;)



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It would be hilarious if this one came true.

And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.


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i think Texas would become its own country rather than just switching


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i think Texas would become its own country rather than just switching

Agreed, but I think that it is much more likely that Texas would remain a part of the U.S.



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It would be hilarious if this one came true.

In my honest opinion, Russia and/or China conquering the U.S. is much more likely to occur than this prediction.



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It would be hilarious if this one came true.

In my honest opinion, Russia and/or China conquering the U.S. is much more likely to occur than this prediction.

 

Which is very unlikely. The US will still be a superpower and only a fool would attack a superpower. They would also have the advantage of fighting on their own soil (it's always easier to defend than to conquer, all other factors being equal) and presumably many countries would flock to their aid.

 

Anyway, I can't really see this prediction happening. If anything, perhaps the reverse will happen (we have a recent thread on that).



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It would be hilarious if this one came true.

In my honest opinion, Russia and/or China conquering the U.S. is much more likely to occur than this prediction.

 

Which is why it would be hilarious.


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It would be hilarious if this one came true.

In my honest opinion, Russia and/or China conquering the U.S. is much more likely to occur than this prediction.

 

Which is very unlikely.

Exactly--hence my point here.



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Which is very unlikely. The US will still be a superpower and only a fool would attack a superpower.

 

Very unlikely, but not impossible. If i lived, say, in 1975, i'd also said that collapse of USSR is very unlikely (almost impossible) thing. But human history is much more unpredictable than it appears. In this case we have 2082 - 2014 = 68 years (!!!) ahead. A lot of time, a lot of interesting things may happen... Of course, this loss of territory (if it will ever happen) will not be the result of Mexican conquest, it will likely be the result of deep economic and social crisis, combined with weak government and growing separatists moods.

 

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PS There was already similar thread, if my memory serves...



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PS There was already similar thread, if my memory serves...

Yes, but this prediction still remains in this TL, which is why I created another thread about this.



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Which is very unlikely. The US will still be a superpower and only a fool would attack a superpower.

 

Very unlikely, but not impossible. If i lived, say, in 1975, i'd also said that collapse of USSR is very unlikely (almost impossible) thing. But human history is much more unpredictable than it appears. In this case we have 2082 - 2014 = 68 years (!!!) ahead. A lot of time, a lot of interesting things may happen... 

 

 

 

very much true

 

the past is an inevitable thing when viewed from the present


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Do you think that by 2082 there'll be plans being drawn up and discussions being held about a North American Union? Or not quite yet, closer to the FT official prediction of c. 2140?



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Do you think that by 2082 there'll be plans being drawn up and discussions being held about a North American Union? Or not quite yet, closer to the FT official prediction of c. 2140?

It will probably be closer to the official FT prediction.



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Do you think that by 2082 there'll be plans being drawn up and discussions being held about a North American Union? Or not quite yet, closer to the FT official prediction of c. 2140?

It will probably be closer to the official FT prediction.

Agreed.



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Which is very unlikely. The US will still be a superpower and only a fool would attack a superpower.

 

Very unlikely, but not impossible. If i lived, say, in 1975, i'd also said that collapse of USSR is very unlikely (almost impossible) thing. But human history is much more unpredictable than it appears. In this case we have 2082 - 2014 = 68 years (!!!) ahead. A lot of time, a lot of interesting things may happen... 

 

 

 

very much true

 

the past is an inevitable thing when viewed from the present

This is correct in some cases, but not in all cases. For instance, French political theorist Alexis de Tocqueville predicted that a Cold War between the U.S. and Russia would eventually occur over a century in advance:

http://www.bartleby.com/73/2045.html

 

"There are now two great nations in the world which, starting from different points, seem to be advancing toward the same goal: the Russians and the Anglo-Americans. Both have grown in obscurity, and while the world’s attention was occupied elsewhere, they have suddenly taken their place among the leading nations, making the world take note of their birth and of their greatness almost at the same instant. All other peoples seem to have nearly reached their natural limits and to need nothing but to preserve them; but these two are growing…. The American fights against natural obstacles; the Russian is at grips with men. The former combats the wilderness and barbarism; the latter, civilization with all its arms. America’s conquests are made with the plowshare, Russia’s with the sword. To attain their aims, the former relies on personal interest and gives free scope to the unguided strength and common sense of individuals. The latter in a sense concentrates the whole power of society in one man. One has freedom as the principal means of action; the other has servitude. Their point of departure is different and their paths diverse; nevertheless, each seems called by some secret desire of Providence one day to hold in its hands the destinies of half the world."



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Let's seriously hope that Mr. Fox sees this thread. :)



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Not sure why the U.S would give two of it's most populous and economically important states ( California and Texas )

Future population projections 2050:

 

California: 52 million

Texas; 37 million

 

Also, it's unlikely that these states will not be the two largest economies in the U.S in 2082, as even factoring in climate change/migrations, both California and Texas still have ample resources and land. 

 

It would be the absolute stupidest move EVER by a country to give up California, Texas, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, etc. 


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Not sure why the U.S would give two of it's most populous and economically important states ( California and Texas )

Future population projections 2050:

 

California: 52 million

Texas; 37 million

 

Also, it's unlikely that these states will not be the two largest economies in the U.S in 2082, as even factoring in climate change/migrations, both California and Texas still have ample resources and land. 

 

It would be the absolute stupidest move EVER by a country to give up California, Texas, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, etc. 

Completely agreed! :)

Heck, even Mexico refused to voluntarily sell these territories to the U.S. back in the 1840s (the sale which actually occurred was the result of the U.S. defeating Mexico in a war between 1846 and 1848).






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