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Slovak Same Sex Marriage/Adoption February 7 Referendum


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I think that #3 should explicitly not be taught in schools. People go there for knowledge, not pointless distractions. Not sure what it has to do with the other two, though.

Schools should teach not only information, but also how to be a good person.


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I think that #3 should explicitly not be taught in schools. People go there for knowledge, not pointless distractions. Not sure what it has to do with the other two, though.

#3 gives the knowledge of sex/sexual behaviours, etc., a core aspect of human nature for most people, whether you like it or not. It's not really a "pointless distraction".


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I think that #3 should explicitly not be taught in schools. People go there for knowledge, not pointless distractions. Not sure what it has to do with the other two, though.

 

This IS knowledge, more important in their future life than botany or trigonometry. Though i agree, this knowledge should be taught very gently and carefully, without any "practical examples and demonstrations" :)


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If I was a Slovak, I would say No, Yes and Yes as well.


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If I was a Slovak, I would say No, Yes and Yes as well.

What's wrong with LGBT parenting or sex education in schools?



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If I was a Slovak, I would say No, Yes and Yes as well.

What's wrong with LGBT parenting or sex education in schools?

 

 

I mean't No, No and No.


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No to all three. 


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If one does not allow for gay adoption, than one must not allow for single parents having the ability to raise children, because according to most people, the most damaging thing to a child is being raised "confused" which is a very stupid argument. You might as well argue 2nd generation immigrants are confused that they were born in a foreign country but raised in different ethnicity than everyone in the country. It doesn't take a child's whole life to explain to them "I like fucking men, so that's why you have two dads." I think that the largest driver of a child's well-being is his welfare upon growth; not who he's raised by. The child can be raised by Chinese mafia men for all I care, as long as the caretaker is loving, and responsible then he's good enough for me.

 

EDIT: That is a no, no, no for all questions.


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On February 7, Slovaks will be asked three questions:

 

1. Do you agree that only a bond between one man and one woman can be called marriage?

2. Do you agree that same-sex couples or groups should not be allowed to adopt and raise children?

3. Do you agree that schools cannot require children to participate in education pertaining to sexual behaviour or euthanasia if their parents don’t agree?

 

As a Pole I can't vote, but I would say No, Yes and Yes. Here's a video made by people who are slight more radical and vote three Yes:

 

 

Translation:

 

"Here are your new parents"

 

"Where's mom?"

 

From the votes on Youtube video, I think that slighty more people would probably vote three yes. I also like one of the comments: "Everyone talks about the rights of LGBTs, but what about the rights of children?"

 

A couple of issues with this one (i know it's not your comment Kemotx don't worry)

 

  1. Children in almost ever case, don't pick their parents, so arguing this is against the child's rights is a bit B.S in my opinion
  2. Is a loving gay couple worse than an abusive/fighting/divorced straight couple
  3. "Wheres Mummy" is not any cause for concern for our gay couple, this Child likely knows that Mum+Dad is the standard family layout and is confused, not because he inherently disagrees with gay adoption (hes too young to make a philosophical decision like that) 
  4. Pretty much every study says that gay couples are not any worse than straight ones, so why not

I agree with this, but I would also like to point out that if a child being raised by a same-sex couple wants a mother figure or a father figure, then this child can spend more time with his or her uncles/aunts/great-uncles/great-aunts/et cetera. Thus, this isn't a problem which can't be dealt with.

 



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No, no and no.

I myself am tempted to completely agree with you on this, Armchair Anarchist. :)



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Homophobia just needs to be made illegal. No expression of it must be allowed in any way, shape or form. Just the scientific facts, no bias whatsoever. When there are only the facts about this matter in particular, there won't be any of this ridiculous prejudice against the LGBT community you unfortunately see running rampant around countries like Russia.

I disagree with this since that would be a violation of free speech; heck, I had many (in the double-digits) Jewish relatives who were killed in the Holocaust, and yet I am tempted to oppose criminalizing Holocaust denial since that would be a violation of free speech. Let idiots speak out so that they can discredit themselves--at least, that's my own view in regards to this.



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And an example a bit closer to me: sure, it might hurt my feelings when someone says that I'm a freak and should be shot for being transgender. But it'd offend me way more if that person got arrested for that.

I strictly oppose all kinds of bullshit laws that limit the freedom of speech in any way or form.

Such an individual certainly shouldn't be prosecuted just for having these views, but such an individual should certainly be encouraged (not forced) to educate himself or herself on this topic much more, as well as to get mental health treatment if necessary.



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I'm not afraid of LGBT's (I'm one btw) and I don't hate them. I just think that having Mother and Father is a sufficient reason. I will fight for equal treating and almost all rights, and I'm against abuse of LGBTs. Now I do believe that there are many responsible same-sex parents, for example those who want their children to know one/two biological parents. I still believe they are harming their child though.

 

Just so people won't think I'm a hypocrite, I would also oppose one-person Ectogenesis. Why? Only one parent.

 

Now I absolutely don't agree with "children will be bullied" argument; that's not it's fault but the fault of bullies. Altrough yes, in East Europe that would likely happen.

 

Which is interesting since you are allowing your beliefs to override evidence to the contrary...as I've probably pointed out for the third or fourth time at this point on this topic. 


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I'm not afraid of LGBT's (I'm one btw) and I don't hate them. I just think that having Mother and Father is a sufficient reason. I will fight for equal treating and almost all rights, and I'm against abuse of LGBTs. Now I do believe that there are many responsible same-sex parents, for example those who want their children to know one/two biological parents. I still believe they are harming their child though.

 

Just so people won't think I'm a hypocrite, I would also oppose one-person Ectogenesis. Why? Only one parent.

 

Now I absolutely don't agree with "children will be bullied" argument; that's not it's fault but the fault of bullies. Altrough yes, in East Europe that would likely happen.

 

Which is interesting since you are allowing your beliefs to override evidence to the contrary...as I've probably pointed out for the third or fourth time at this point on this topic. 

 

 

I know well about that "evidence". This is not a debate about creationism/global warming though, as I said, for me having a a mother and father is a sufficient reason. Children will love the same sex parents and I don't doubt that they will be raised in a happy family (Not every child would be like the one in the video). But I think that in some cases "evidence" doesn't apply since for me this is a moral dilemma, not a scientific one.

 

Yes, for me, "In my opinion a child should have a mother and a father" is a good argument. Not a scientific but a philosophical one.



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I don't know about what you guys think, but I would prefer

 

 

On February 7, Slovaks will be asked three questions:

 

1. Do you agree that only a bond between one man and one woman can be called marriage?

2. Do you agree that same-sex couples or groups should not be allowed to adopt and raise children?

3. Do you agree that schools cannot require children to participate in education pertaining to sexual behaviour or euthanasia if their parents don’t agree?

 

As a Pole I can't vote, but I would say No, Yes and Yes. Here's a video made by people who are slight more radical and vote three Yes:

 

 

Translation:

 

"Here are your new parents"

 

"Where's mom?"

 

From the votes on Youtube video, I think that slighty more people would probably vote three yes. I also like one of the comments: "Everyone talks about the rights of LGBTs, but what about the rights of children?"

 

A couple of issues with this one (i know it's not your comment Kemotx don't worry)

 

  1. Children in almost ever case, don't pick their parents, so arguing this is against the child's rights is a bit B.S in my opinion
  2. Is a loving gay couple worse than an abusive/fighting/divorced straight couple
  3. "Wheres Mummy" is not any cause for concern for our gay couple, this Child likely knows that Mum+Dad is the standard family layout and is confused, not because he inherently disagrees with gay adoption (hes too young to make a philosophical decision like that) 
  4. Pretty much every study says that gay couples are not any worse than straight ones, so why not

 

I would personally be brought up by abusive/fighting/divorced straight couple than a gay couple. So would all my friends. I will just leave this here. Why? Well, because that's how it is.

 

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I don't know about what you guys think, but I would prefer

 



 



On February 7, Slovaks will be asked three questions:

 

1. Do you agree that only a bond between one man and one woman can be called marriage?

2. Do you agree that same-sex couples or groups should not be allowed to adopt and raise children?

3. Do you agree that schools cannot require children to participate in education pertaining to sexual behaviour or euthanasia if their parents don’t agree?

 

As a Pole I can't vote, but I would say No, Yes and Yes. Here's a video made by people who are slight more radical and vote three Yes:

 

 

Translation:

 

"Here are your new parents"

 

"Where's mom?"

 

From the votes on Youtube video, I think that slighty more people would probably vote three yes. I also like one of the comments: "Everyone talks about the rights of LGBTs, but what about the rights of children?"

 

A couple of issues with this one (i know it's not your comment Kemotx don't worry)

 

  1. Children in almost ever case, don't pick their parents, so arguing this is against the child's rights is a bit B.S in my opinion

  2. Is a loving gay couple worse than an abusive/fighting/divorced straight couple

  3. "Wheres Mummy" is not any cause for concern for our gay couple, this Child likely knows that Mum+Dad is the standard family layout and is confused, not because he inherently disagrees with gay adoption (hes too young to make a philosophical decision like that) 

  4. Pretty much every study says that gay couples are not any worse than straight ones, so why not

 

I would personally be brought up by abusive/fighting/divorced straight couple than a gay couple. So would all my friends. I will just leave this here. Why? Well, because that's how it is.

I certainly wouldn't, though, since that sounds much worse than being raised by a happy, functioning gay couple. :(



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I know well about that "evidence". This is not a debate about creationism/global warming though, as I said, for me having a a mother and father is a sufficient reason. Children will love the same sex parents and I don't doubt that they will be raised in a happy family (Not every child would be like the one in the video). But I think that in some cases "evidence" doesn't apply since for me this is a moral dilemma, not a scientific one.

 

Yes, for me, "In my opinion a child should have a mother and a father" is a good argument. Not a scientific but a philosophical one.

 

Of course it isn't that debate..little strange to compare it to those but okay..in any case this is still dealing with biology and psychology which have both social and science implications. If a child must have a mother and father, however, then how do you respond to the scenarios laid out in Cosmic Cat's post?


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I know well about that "evidence". This is not a debate about creationism/global warming though, as I said, for me having a a mother and father is a sufficient reason. Children will love the same sex parents and I don't doubt that they will be raised in a happy family (Not every child would be like the one in the video). But I think that in some cases "evidence" doesn't apply since for me this is a moral dilemma, not a scientific one.

 

Yes, for me, "In my opinion a child should have a mother and a father" is a good argument. Not a scientific but a philosophical one.

 

Of course it isn't that debate..little strange to compare it to those but okay..in any case this is still dealing with biology and psychology which have both social and science implications. If a child must have a mother and father, however, then how do you respond to the scenarios laid out in Cosmic Cat's post?

Did Cosmic Cat even make any posts in this thread? Plus, it is worth noting that Kemotx's premise that all children should have both a mother and a father is a false one. After all, by that rationale, single parents (including widowed parents) should not be allowed to raise children at all.



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Did Cosmic Cat even make any posts in this thread? Plus, it is worth noting that Kemotx's premise that all children should have both a mother and a father is a false one. After all, by that rationale, single parents (including widowed parents) should not be allowed to raise children at all.

 

Yes and that's the point he made. 


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