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Eh.. mental illnesses definitely exist. Pedophilia will never nor should it ever be accepted in any way, shape or form because it harms people.

 

Maybe illness is not the right word, but let's instead call them harmful abberations if you're going to say this is really subjective.

 

I was speaking from an objective standpoint.... as if I were a disembodied super-intelligence looking down at our pathetic galaxy from the dark void between galaxies... and no I'm not a Reaper if that's what you're thinking.

 

But yeah, I agree with you, to us mere mortals with our petty tendency of classifying behaviors through our social schema prism, mental illnesses are real and in some cases, existing squarely in front of us to our great discomfort.


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Eh.. mental illnesses definitely exist. Pedophilia will never nor should it ever be accepted in any way, shape or form because it harms people.

 

Maybe illness is not the right word, but let's instead call them harmful abberations if you're going to say this is really subjective.

 

I was speaking from an objective standpoint.... as if I were a disembodied super-intelligence looking down at our pathetic galaxy from the dark void between galaxies... and no I'm not a Reaper if that's what you're thinking.

 

But yeah, I agree with you, to us mere mortals with our petty tendency of classifying behaviors through our social schema prism, mental illnesses are real and in some cases, existing squarely in front of us to our great discomfort.

 

 

And, occasionally, in our upper echelons (the powerful British pedophilia ring recently discovered)


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I still haven't got around the 3rd chapter because I also have a psychological addiction to the internet.

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Eh.. mental illnesses definitely exist. Pedophilia will never nor should it ever be accepted in any way, shape or form because it harms people.

 

Maybe illness is not the right word, but let's instead call them harmful abberations if you're going to say this is really subjective.

 

 

A mental illness is a guy dressing up like a dog and telling everyone that he's a dog. This can be carried onto a guy dressing up as a woman.



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Eh.. mental illnesses definitely exist. Pedophilia will never nor should it ever be accepted in any way, shape or form because it harms people.

 

Maybe illness is not the right word, but let's instead call them harmful abberations if you're going to say this is really subjective.

 

 

A mental illness is a guy dressing up like a dog and telling everyone that he's a dog. This can be carried onto a guy dressing up as a woman.

 

 

What exactly do you mean by that?


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Eh.. mental illnesses definitely exist. Pedophilia will never nor should it ever be accepted in any way, shape or form because it harms people.

 

Maybe illness is not the right word, but let's instead call them harmful abberations if you're going to say this is really subjective.

 

 

A mental illness is a guy dressing up like a dog and telling everyone that he's a dog. This can be carried onto a guy dressing up as a woman.

 

 

What exactly do you mean by that?

 

 

It's not hard to tell that he thinks cross-dressers are mentally ill.



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Psychology today is where biology was before microscopes and genetic testing became wide spread.  No one denies that there are people with behavioral and emotional characteristics that are outside of what most people consider "normal". The problem with psychology is that there isn't quite the connection yet between a set of behavioral traits and a physical biological marker. It's like trying to diagnosis an infectious disease on symptoms alone without  an anti-body, PCR, or growing medium test to detect the infectious agent. It is true that doctors often do not perform test to identify what is making you sick, but that is only because 99% of illnesses  resolve themselves within a week or two at most. If you are seriously ill, or ill for an extended period of time than doctors will start doing tests to identify the cause of your symptoms.  If people had bouts of schizophrenia, or OCD that lasted a few days once a year or so then such lack of positive identification of your mental condition might be acceptable. Psychology won't be put on the same pedestal as biology and physics until they bridge that gap between behavioral observations and being able to associate those observations with a physical non-behavioral attribute.



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Just commenting on 2 things that were said...

I find what EVanimations said with regard to pedophilia to be as offensive and wrong as the thinking that surround all the other sexuality, gender, and cross dressing stuff before those started being better understood like what Matthew is putting forward...

 

Before people get offended and think that I think an adult having sex with a child is ok, that's not what I'm saying.

What I am saying is that attraction to something, regardless of what it is, is not a mental illness.

The thing that is the problem in the situation is if someone is attracted to children and acts upon it that is wrong, for the very same reasons that it is wrong to act upon someone in ways they can't consent to.

The more people understand and make this distinction the more fixable the situation will be because it will stop tearing down people for things that they can't control and start helping them find outlets for those emotions so they don't get overwhelmed and act wrongly.

 

This is the reason behind why much of the crime rate has decreased in the world it is thought. Because we have created outlets for people to work out their behaviors in some way other than actually doing what was previously the only way of feeding/treating that problem. It doesn't help everyone but it has shown itself to help quite a few people and it is what we should be doing and thinking, not trying to create thought crimes which is what people do when they try to make attraction to something a mental illness or a crime, rather than only dealing with acts.



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It's incredibly creepy and there's no way it can be healthy for the mind or relationships. In fact, I would go as far to say that it's detrimental for everyone involved, and thus becomes something altogether different from most other preferences. Pedophilia is an illness.


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Eh.. mental illnesses definitely exist. Pedophilia will never nor should it ever be accepted in any way, shape or form because it harms people.

 

Maybe illness is not the right word, but let's instead call them harmful abberations if you're going to say this is really subjective.

 

 

A mental illness is a guy dressing up like a dog and telling everyone that he's a dog. This can be carried onto a guy dressing up as a woman.

 

Sure it's not "normal" or "average behaviour", but it does not inhibit or damage mental function, so it can't be considered a "mental illness". Do you have something against transgenders? 



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It's incredibly creepy and there's no way it can be healthy for the mind or relationships. In fact, I would go as far to say that it's detrimental for everyone involved, and thus becomes something altogether different from most other preferences. Pedophilia is an illness.

 

It's creepy to you and because it is creepy to you, you act in negative and hostile ways towards them which makes it unhealthy for them. If you want to base "illness" on how much of a prick people are towards people and things they don't agree with then just about everyone is mentally ill in some way, because everyone has natural impositions that make other people hostile towards them.



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It's incredibly creepy and there's no way it can be healthy for the mind or relationships. In fact, I would go as far to say that it's detrimental for everyone involved, and thus becomes something altogether different from most other preferences. Pedophilia is an illness.

 

It's creepy to you and because it is creepy to you, you act in negative and hostile ways towards them which makes it unhealthy for them. If you want to base "illness" on how much of a prick people are towards people and things they don't agree with then just about everyone is mentally ill in some way, because everyone has natural impositions that make other people hostile towards them.

 

 

Yea, having sex with children is bad, but I do not find much harm in one to have sexual attraction to them. With today's technology and sharing, it is a very good thing that Lolicon culture has arrived. I'm not saying I'm a pedophile, but I do think animated child pornography should be made legal. It has the power to lower child-sex abuse crimes. Plus, there are some adult females who enjoy acting like little girls. I guess if there's a pornographic MMORPG that has this, I'm sure pedophalia rates will drop.

 

Again, I'm not a pedophile (well, technically I do like young girls, but that's because I'm 15, and my age-range limit is 13; And that is if I'm desperate.) but it is easy to see where you're coming from. 

 

I suggest a video of a loli porn artist in Japan. She's weird and seems like she's acting off the porn camera as if she was in the porn camera. But, whatever makes her happy. She's insightful on the topic.

 



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This discussion is just awful. Defending/accepting pedophiles is the LAST thing we should be doing about them. First we need to see if there's any... cure for such a condition.

 

So many people here are eager to be viewed as open-minded, and therefore try to be accepting of everything they possibly can be short of conservatism. That will not do, we need to draw the line somewhere. We must. As someone said, we must not be so open-minded as to let our brains fall out.

 

These people are sick and must be cured, for their sake and everyone else's. I'm saying this because we will likely have the means to do so in the next few decades, and again, accepting them and falling for their trap of acceptance is deplorable. No, we shouldn't give them an outlet. They need to be changed.


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It's incredibly creepy and there's no way it can be healthy for the mind or relationships. In fact, I would go as far to say that it's detrimental for everyone involved, and thus becomes something altogether different from most other preferences. Pedophilia is an illness.

 

The discussion that you are currently having with Durakken reminds me of things that I wrote about the subjective words that we use to communicate. Once again, we have two people arguing for their perception of reality. And the debate isn’t about what can be done reduce the rates of sexual assaults in our societies. The debate is about the general perception of the words mental illness and pedophilia. Any type of behavior could be considered a mental illness if there is a consensus about the definition of a word and the socially unacceptable actions that are associated with it.

 

I’m not going to argue with you and tell you that pedophilia is not a mental illness, but I will tell you that what you wrote could be described as a subjective or biased statement. Describing it as a mental illness could be appropriate if you are only thinking about the victims in our society. But we have to be able to play the role of devil’s advocate if we really want to reduce or eliminate the problem in our society. I choose not to call pedophilia a mental illness simply because of the fact that there are happy well-adjusted individuals out there that don’t feel any guilt about their sexual attraction to children. How is it an illness if the person isn’t suffering? It only becomes an illness if the person is suffering or if you go beyond the individual and think about the harm that it does to our society. And at that point the words social illness would be more appropriate.    

 

Pedophilia and various types of antisocial behaviors are a part of the human condition whether we like it or not. Calling these people monsters and punishing or treating them the same ways that we’ve been doing it for decades is not going to solve the problem. I’ve been writing about the idea of improving and optimizing the human condition since I joined this forum. I believe there are logical steps that we can take to eventually quantify and optimize the general level of happiness, and physical and cognitive functions of every person on the planet. I am hoping that we will eventually use AI, FIVR, and genetic engineering to make mental illnesses a thing of the past. And hopefully a new ruling class of advanced humans and AI will create prison systems where pedophiles and psychopaths could have access to a comfortable living space and numerous sexual experiences via robots and virtual reality. They could contribute to society by doing jobs within the prison systems and the public would be protected.



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This discussion is just awful. Defending/accepting pedophiles is the LAST thing we should be doing about them. First we need to see if there's any... cure for such a condition.

 

So many people here are eager to be viewed as open-minded, and therefore try to be accepting of everything they possibly can be short of conservatism. That will not do, we need to draw the line somewhere. We must. As someone said, we must not be so open-minded as to let our brains fall out.

 

These people are sick and must be cured, for their sake and everyone else's. I'm saying this because we will likely have the means to do so in the next few decades, and again, accepting them and falling for their trap of acceptance is deplorable. No, we shouldn't give them an outlet. They need to be changed.

 

There is no cure because it isn't an illness, however people who advocate for thought crimes I could certainly make a argument that there is an actual illness there.

 

I need draw no line save for between rational and irrational. Freedom and oppression. Your views are oppressive and irrational.

 

No EVanimations, you do not get to impose your will onto others because you disagree with their inclinations or thoughts. That is what you are saying you want to have happen. So long as no harm is done upon you then you have no business acting upon another. If you do you are the immoral, atrociously disgusting individual. I don't care if you think it's creepy. I think you're creepy does that mean I get to throw in jail, scramble your brains till you die or I get what I want, just flat out kill you? 



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This discussion is just awful. Defending/accepting pedophiles is the LAST thing we should be doing about them. First we need to see if there's any... cure for such a condition.

 

So many people here are eager to be viewed as open-minded, and therefore try to be accepting of everything they possibly can be short of conservatism. That will not do, we need to draw the line somewhere. We must. As someone said, we must not be so open-minded as to let our brains fall out.

 

These people are sick and must be cured, for their sake and everyone else's. I'm saying this because we will likely have the means to do so in the next few decades, and again, accepting them and falling for their trap of acceptance is deplorable. No, we shouldn't give them an outlet. They need to be changed.

 

There is no cure because it isn't an illness, however people who advocate for thought crimes I could certainly make a argument that there is an actual illness there.

 

I need draw no line save for between rational and irrational. Freedom and oppression. Your views are oppressive and irrational.

 

No EVanimations, you do not get to impose your will onto others because you disagree with their inclinations or thoughts. That is what you are saying you want to have happen. So long as no harm is done upon you then you have no business acting upon another. If you do you are the immoral, atrociously disgusting individual. I don't care if you think it's creepy. I think you're creepy does that mean I get to throw in jail, scramble your brains till you die or I get what I want, just flat out kill you? 

 

 

http://rationalwiki....wiki/Pedophilia

 

This page explains quite well. Most people with pedophilia tenancies don't act on them. I can see what your saying Durakken and I can also see what EV is saying, but the truth is far from black and white. Regardless if whether or not pedophilia is hard wired into the brain is up to debate, but sexual relations with a minor is (and should be) a crime. Please note that not all child sex offenders are pedophiles (actually an estimated 50% aren't).

 

What do I think should be done about it?

 

Well those people with pedophile thoughts need to get help to restrain their urges or give them a healthy outlet. Of course pedophile relations with real minors are out of the question (and should be).

 

The main issue I have with pedophilia (and with bestiality for that matter) is consent, Children can't give consent (for good reason) as can't dogs and cats. Using robots to me is just like using mundane sex toys.

 

I don't to talk about this anymore, I feel dirty.


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Let me remind you that I'm not talking about punishing anybody, I'm talking about CURING them. This ability will come with greater advances in neuroscience and psychology. Everything the brain does can be understood as a series of electrical and biochemical balances and imbalances.

But first, let's talk about telepathy and empathy for a moment. Texting by thinking is coming, and it will be primitive at first being nothing but a device strapped to the head that inputs brain waves and outputs them to other devices as messages. Eventually, however, it will become huge. Nanobots could unite every human mind in existence, leading to an era of unprecedented empathy, equality, and understanding.

With this technology, deep-cover people with mental illnesses WILL be found.

Now let's talk about psychopathy for a second. It is the inclination to do others harm. In doing so, the direct harm inflicted on the victim indirectly affects both the family of the victim and the psychopath, since it increases the psychopath's likelyhood of spending the rest of their lives locked up.

One could argue that they would be better off with an outlet, or hey, just don't oppress psychopaths and they'll be fine or whatever.

But if we had the means to rectify the maladies that cause this behavior, with everyone better off doing so, we absolutely would. Simply accepting that someone just is the way they are and we should deal with that as long as they promise not to harm anyone is just stupid if we have the means to change things for the better.

And, yes, I am comparing pedophiles to psychopaths because the inclination to do others harm is there, and that goes with any other directly harmful sexual preference. I think it's despicable that I even have to talk about this.

I in no way want to be associated with a movement that advocates for the acceptance of pedophilia, practiced or not. Please don't tell me I'm the only one in this community, somebody back me up here.

I especially don't like the fact that I'm supposedly a tyrant for believing that in a perfect world, nobody should or have the capacity to hurt anybody else.


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Let me remind you that I'm not talking about punishing anybody, I'm talking about CURING them. This ability will come with greater advances in neuroscience and psychology. Everything the brain does can be understood as a series of electrical and biochemical balances and imbalances.

But first, let's talk about telepathy and empathy for a moment. Texting by thinking is coming, and it will be primitive at first being nothing but a device strapped to the head that inputs brain waves and outputs them to other devices as messages. Eventually, however, it will become huge. Nanobots could unite every human mind in existence, leading to an unprecedented era of empathy, equality, and understanding.

With this technology, deep-cover people with mental illnesses WILL be found.

Now let's talk about psychopathy for a second. It is the inclination to do others harm. In doing so, the direct harm inflicted on the victim indirectly affects both the family of the victim and the psychopath, since it increases the psychopath's likelyhood of spending the rest of their lives locked up.

One could argue that they would be better off with an outlet, or hey, just don't oppress psychopaths and they'll be fine or whatever.

But if we had the means to rectify the maladies that cause this behavior, with everyone better off doing so, we absolutely would. Simply accepting that someone just is the way they are and we should deal with that as long as they promise not to harm anyone is just stupid if we have the means to change things for the better.

And, yes, I am comparing pedophiles to psychopaths because the inclination to do others harm is there, and that goes with any other directly harmful sexual preference. I think it's despicable that I even have to talk about this.

I in no way want to be associated with a movement that advocates for the acceptance of pedophilia, practiced or not. Please don't tell me I'm the only one in this community, somebody back me up here.

I especially don't like the fact that I'm supposedly a tyrant for believing that in a perfect world, nobody should or have the capacity to hurt anybody else.

 

Social perfection is usually perception. I can imagine a future where people are encouraged or forced to have some kind of gene therapy / neural rewiring treatment to eliminate any desires or behaviors that are socially unacceptable. It would be a perfect world for some and a dystopian world for others. My idea of a perfect world would be a place where involuntary violence is a rare occurrence because of a system that is designed to optimize the well-being of every person on the planet. That includes people with deviant sexual desires. It would be a place where people are encouraged but not forced to use technology that could make them more empathetic.



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Then you have a world where the people who choose telepathic / empathic technology form a global society of unity, peace, and equality, while everyone who's afraid of the technology poses a greater danger to world peace than any group in the world ever has.

 

It would work much better as a global aerosol of nanobots that unites all the humans in the world while they retain their individuality.


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