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British General Election 2015

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Cameron 'accepts single multi-party TV debate'

 

17 March 2015

 

David Cameron has accepted the broadcasters' offer of one, seven-way debate at the beginning of April, Conservative sources have said.

 

http://m.bbc.co.uk/n...litics-31928638


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There are a lot of things I disagree with in the Green party, but it's not like they are going to get into government and any influence they do have is primarily going to be environmentally related. I pretty much ignore their other policies.

 

 

Yep, same reason I'm voting Green. They're never going to get the power but the influence on the environmental policies could be nice.

 

 

 

 

 


 

If that's the case, do you support their anti nuclear stance, and if so why? This is the fundamental issue I have with the Greens at the moment.

 

 

 


Looking this up, but what happens to nuclear waste? Reading up about it right now, doesn't sound good. It doesn't seem to be a very good long-term solution. That might be a concern to the Green party and others in similar mindsets.

 

Just taking a guess here, I don't have much knowledge about this (as seen above). You can enlighten me about the subject if you want to.



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General Election 2015: SNP 'could block Tory government'

 

25 March 2015

 

The SNP would block a minority Conservative government by voting down its Queen's Speech if it held the post-election balance of power, its former leader Alex Salmond has said.

Mr Salmond said the move could bring down the government if Labour joined in, with David Cameron "locked out".
The Conservatives accused the ex-SNP leader of "trying to sabotage the democratic will of the British people".
Labour has called his balance of power prediction "bluster and bluff".
In recent days Mr Salmond, who is bidding to become a Westminster MP at the 7 May general election, has claimed his party could "hold the power" in a hung Parliament and would be able to influence the Budget of a minority Labour government.
This was dismissed by Labour leader Ed Miliband, who has ruled out a formal coalition with the Scottish nationalists.
The SNP currently has six MPs at Westminster, but recent opinion polls suggest its share could increase dramatically at the general election.

 

 
 

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I think the Greens have TWO big selling points:

 

1. Obviously their environmental concerns, and -

2. Social welfare. They want to create a fairer, more equal society, with wealth spread more evenly. I personally think this is their best selling point. Clearly they wont be forming Government any time soon, but with more MP's they will be able to have more influence.



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I've realised that, with SNP definitely taking 55 seats out of the 59 available in Scotland, there are only 2 choices for Britain:

a) Conservative-UKIP Coalition

b) Labour-SNP Coalition

 

Nicole Sturgeon has said that she wants £180bn in subsidies from England in return for a Coalition with Labour, as well as the extension of Scottish powers.

I really don't want to go far into this because I just wrote an article on it in my blog -_-

 

Well obviously UKIP is not an option.


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I've realised that, with SNP definitely taking 55 seats out of the 59 available in Scotland, there are only 2 choices for Britain:

a) Conservative-UKIP Coalition

b) Labour-SNP Coalition

 

Nicole Sturgeon has said that she wants £180bn in subsidies from England in return for a Coalition with Labour, as well as the extension of Scottish powers.

I really don't want to go far into this because I just wrote an article on it in my blog -_-

 

Well obviously UKIP is not an option.

 

 

Wasn't Ed Miliband the one that said there is no chance off a Labour-SNP Coalition? http://www.independe...p-10111058.html


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I've realised that, with SNP definitely taking 55 seats out of the 59 available in Scotland, there are only 2 choices for Britain:

a) Conservative-UKIP Coalition

b) Labour-SNP Coalition

 

Nicole Sturgeon has said that she wants £180bn in subsidies from England in return for a Coalition with Labour, as well as the extension of Scottish powers.

I really don't want to go far into this because I just wrote an article on it in my blog -_-

 

I don't think we're going to see any coalition from any party. I think we will just see a minority government that will need support from parties on a vote by vote basis.

 

UKIP are only predicted to get 5 seats with a few others that are close (10 seats within 10 points of the other major party, only 1 seat looks set in stone). Lib Dems are predicted to get 24 seats (14 <10 point lead) with a further 16 in contention. SNP are predicted to get 55 seats with 13 of those in contention. 

 

If there is a major swing to the Lib Dems & Conservatives they could form a coalition but only if it gives them a majority. I don't see ministerial positions to UKIP however, they have too few MPs. Realistically a large swing to either main party is what will decide this election (lot of marginal seats). 



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Wasn't Ed Miliband the one that said there is no chance off a Labour-SNP Coalition? http://www.independe...p-10111058.html

 

 

Neither of them want a coalition 



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So how is UKIP going out of curiosity?


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Put me down as someone who wants a Labour-SNP coalition. I think a lot of labour voters in England want this as well, the SNP will drag Labour to the left which can only be a good thing.


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I've got a question--out of curiosity, if Scotland would have voted for independence last year, then would the Conservatives have been likely to win this year's UK elections?



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I've got a question--out of curiosity, if Scotland would have voted for independence last year, then would the Conservatives have been likely to win this year's UK elections?

 

Well neither party is going to get many seats in Scotland anyway so it doesn't make much difference - they're still quite even as far as polls go at the moment. It would mean the Conservatives could form a coalition with the Liberals again but they couldn't form a majority (296 seats). 

 

Labour are looking to gain a lot of seats in England this election. For instance they will gain 10 seats overall yet they are losing 37 seats in Scotland.



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Just want to dispel a myth purported surrounding the idea our economy is great & the government is creating massive growth. Heres a post I made elsewhere... 

 

"America had a larger deficit than us (-12.1% GDP), France (-7.5% GDP) & Germany (-4.1% GDP) did not. Our debt was also lower than theirs before the crisis but has ballooned way more. As an example their debt pre 2008 was 64%, 64%, 65% while ours was 45%, and now it is 102%, 92%, 77% while ours is 91%. 

 
Also he's right about GDP. Our GDP pre crisis was 2.9 trillion, it's now 2.5 trillion still lower than in 2008. America had a GDP of 14.4 trillion in 2008 & 15 trillion in 2010, now their economy is 16.8 trillion. France 2.8 trillion at its height & now 2.7 trillion so not quite recovered but almost. Germany 3.6 trillion & now 3.6 trillion. 
 
See all figures & more here. I wouldn't trust everything Cameron says about the economy. Our growth is good but that's expected when it shrunk so much over his time in office. Personally I actually didn't realise it was quite this bad till I just did the research now. This puts everything in perspective. No wonder people say Osbourne destroyed our economy in the last 5 years, they would be right. "


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Heh did you guys look at this before?

 

http://may2015.com/category/drilldown/

 

Look at the polls for 2010 voters, notice how the Conservatives are losing 20% of their vote to UKIP & only retaining some 72% of their vote compared to Labours 81%. Labour are also gaining way more LD votes than the Conservatives where this again is split between UKIP & Conservative. If for some reason UKIP lose a lot of support (through some gaff perhaps) we could actually see quite a large Conservative win. We may also find that people on the day vote tactically for Conservative instead of UKIP.



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Still better than UKIP buying extra aircraft carriers despite being a "Fiscally Conservative" party.


People are illogical, unreasonable, and self-centered. Love them anyway. 
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If you are successful, you will win false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway. 
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People favor underdogs but follow only top dogs. Fight for a few underdogs anyway. 
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SNP will represent UK interests, leader Nicola Sturgeon says

 

20 April 2015

 

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon has promised to represent the interests of voters across the UK, if her party wins influence at Westminster.

Ms Sturgeon launched the nationalists' election manifesto, pledging to fight for public spending increases and end cuts across Britain.
And she said SNP MPs would make "Scotland stronger at Westminster".
Ms Sturgeon's political opponents said her manifesto commitments would plunge the UK further into debt.
Polling has suggested no party will win an overall majority on 7 May, and the SNP could be the UK's third largest party.

 

 
 

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An SNP-Labour Coalition would be a disaster for UK. Have you even *seen* SNP's policies? Have you seen their proposes "land reform"? What they are proposing is _nearly_ Communism, and that is not an overstatement, and that's without mentioning the £180bn in extra funding they are demanding for Scotland from the rest of UK in the next budget. The Conservatives are the only party that can bring growth. Ewan, I see what you are saying, but the recovery has been quite weak in all of Western Europe, and UK is one of the best performers (compared to the absolutely shit performance in the rest of Western Europe) in EU. France has a socialist government and look what they have, 0% growth, teetering on the brink of recession.

 

They can demand it, doesn't mean they're going to get it. Watching Miliband recently it's getting evidently clear they don't want any deal whatsoever with the SNP to form a government. It's perfectly viable for them to form a government with not a single word spoken to the SNP. No formal deal, no informal deal, just an attempt at forming a minority government at which point it will be for the SNP to decide whether to vote down the government or not. I'm sure there are some things the two parties can work together on however & the SNP are likely to get more from a Labour government than a Conservative government that's true, but only because the two parties are more similar on policies. 

 

It's one of the best performers now, just coming up to the electionit wasn't for large parts of the last 5 years. If we had the election in 2012/3 when we almost went back into recession we wouldn't be having this conversation. Intriguingly we got the largest quarterly growth in 2010 while Labour were in government but that's rarely spoken about. The fact is that the economy was actually recovering by the time the Conservatives got in power, their endless cuts were what almost put us back into recession (this was tapered by the Lib Dems as well btw) & it wasn't till Osbourne massively increased spending that we actually went back into recovery. Now they want to do the same thing again to reach a large surplus just before the election, rather than a more balanced approach to removing the deficit. A lot of that debt (the interest payments of which add to our deficit) isn't even real debt anyway, it's debt to ourselves from QE by the BoE - the BoE owns 25% of all UK government bonds (around £370 billion). Interest rates on government bonds are also at historic lows (even negative for periods in 2012, yes that means they're practically paying us to buy government bonds) so in many ways now is actually the best time to borrow to invest. 

 

If you look at per capita (PPP) gains we're actually not doing that well (1)(2)(3), this was the point to my previous post. Recent gains don't counteract slow growth in previous years, you have to look at the picture over the full 5 years not just the last 2 then it doesn't look that great actually. 



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Election 2015: Election campaign enters final hours

 

6 May 2015

 

The general election campaign is drawing to a close with party leaders making late bids to break the deadlock in the polls.
Prime Minister David Cameron said the country was "stronger than it was five years ago" but there was "more to do".
Ed Miliband urged people to vote "to reward hard work in our country again" while Nick Clegg said the Lib Dems would offer "stability and decency".
Polls suggest no party will win enough seats for an outright majority.
An ICM survey for the Guardian put the Conservatives and Labour level on 35%.
BBC deputy political editor James Landale said there would be "pretty fundamental questions" on the ballot paper when polls open at 07:00 BST.
 
On the last day of campaigning:
 
  • Mr Cameron says the Conservatives can win Thursday's election outright
  • Mr Miliband says he is optimistic about Labour prospects and he trusts the public to make the "right judgement"
  • Former top civil servant Lord O'Donnell said David Cameron could remain as PM even without a majority - it would be up to his political judgement whether there was a "clear alternative" government
  • Mr Clegg says he's confident the Lib Dems will hold enough seats to be key players in any negotiations
  • UKIP will "significantly and perhaps dramatically outperform" expectations, a spokesman predicts, while Green MPs would do all they could to keep out the Tories, leader Natalie Bennett says
  • SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon says her party is "within touching distance" of making Westminster history, while Leanne Wood says her Plaid Cymru party is part of a "change that's coming"
  • The Times newspaper endorses a continuation of the Conservative-Lib Dem coalition while the Express becomes the first paper to recommend UKIP. The Daily Mail backs the Conservatives
  • Northern Ireland's five biggest parties clashed over welfare reform and gay marriage in a live TV debate
The main party leaders have been criss-crossing the country in their battle buses as they attempt to drum up support ahead of Thursday's poll.

 

 
 

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Post I wrote elsewhere for anyone wondering what happens after election day:

 

"Was listening on the Daily Politics today, after May 7th the current government has first chance to form a government by issuing their Queens Speech in early June. This is regardless of whether they think they have the numbers or not, it is still their right to stay in #10 until they're voted out or resign (as Gordon Brown did in 2010). If the Queens Speech is voted down it doesn't mean they leave office either, there has to be a vote of no confidence in her Majesties government. If this passes then David Cameron will go see the Queen & 'recommend' she allow the leader of the opposition to attempt to form a government, this would be Ed Miliband (at this point Ed would be PM btw). Note the leader of the opposition doesn't have to have command of the commons at this point, he doesn't have to make any deals. He can then propose his Queens Speech to the commons & attempt to form a government himself by allowing MPs to vote on it.

 

The troubling matter for Labour of course (and I didn't realise this before), the SNP can vote down a Labours Queen's Speech or a Labour budget & this wouldn't bring down the government. You need a vote of no confidence or resignation to remove the government now (or a 2/3rds majority). Of course Labour could threaten to resign if this happened but that would be their choice & it wouldn't be the SNP putting the Tories in power or causing another election. Sturgeon has actually said this is something they may consider, that is to support getting a Labour government in power but voting down a budget that follows what she describes as "Tory policies"."

 

Going by what Miliband has said, one would presume if the SNP vote down their Queens Speech he would resign however. He's already said he won't form a government if it requires a deal with the SNP. Behind the scenes however I wouldn't be surprised if he looks to find out beforehand whether they would or not. If Labours budget/Queen's Speech deviates too much from their pre election promises however (say by spending more as the SNP have suggested is a red line for them) one would rightfully assume they've tweaked it to be more favourable to Scottish MPs & the Conservatives would be right to call them out on that. 







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