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History of Humans & Primates

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If only they didn't go extinct. Really could use multiple human species right about now.

Had the Neanderthals survived to the present day, I wonder if we would be in peaceful coexistence and mingling with them, remain separate and be in a state of uneasy peace (they control one part of the world, we control the other part), or all-out war.



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We'd probably not even consider them a separate species. They'd just be some other race, and any evidence to the contrary would be considered bigotry.

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What? Species is defined as two organisms can mate and create viable offspring

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What? Species is defined as two organisms can mate and create viable offspring

Well, technically they can and they did, but the current scientific consensus still says they're different species (or at least different subspecies).



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Neanderthals would have become slaves, if they survived into the modern era.



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Other way around, Mr. Fox. If what they say was true and they had larger brains, they'd probably be the elites of this world.

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What an interesting notion, the truth is we don't know so I'd like to imagine we'd be able to live somewhat cooperatively

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Other way around, Mr. Fox. If what they say was true and they had larger brains, they'd probably be the elites of this world.


You cant say they were very good at communication though. You need something efficient to share your mind instead of grunts.

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Other way around, Mr. Fox. If what they say was true and they had larger brains, they'd probably be the elites of this world.


You cant say they were very good at communication though. You need something efficient to share your mind instead of grunts.

 

Scientists do have evidence of a language and they are already pretty complex in thought. But still, they'll be more of slaves and subject to bigotry due to their looks and brute force.

 


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Other way around, Mr. Fox. If what they say was true and they had larger brains, they'd probably be the elites of this world.


You cant say they were very good at communication though. You need something efficient to share your mind instead of grunts.

 

Scientists do have evidence of a language and they are already pretty complex in thought. But still, they'll be more of slaves and subject to bigotry due to their looks and brute force.

 

 

 

You also have to think of the weird inter-subspecies porn that they'll give us.

 

I'd also like to prove your claim. According to this wikipedia article, Neanderthals do have the anatomical qualifications for languages. Phooey, I thought we were special. Hmph, at least we don't look weird! Wait.

 

There is some circumstantial evidence for thinking that Neanderthals had language with words and some kind of syntax; some of their tool-making and hunting tactics would have been difficult to learn and execute without it.[8] A recent extraction of DNA from Neanderthal bones indicates that Neanderthals had the same version of the FOXP2 gene as modern humans. This gene is known to play a role in human language.[9]
 
The idea that Neanderthals lacked complex language was once widespread,[10] despite concerns about the accuracy of reconstructions of the Neanderthal vocal tract, until 1983, when a Neanderthal hyoid bone was found at the Kebara Cave in Israel. The hyoid is a small bone that connects the musculature of the tongue and the larynx, and by bracing these structures against each other, allows a wider range of tongue and laryngeal movements than would otherwise have been possible. The presence of this bone implies that structured speech was anatomically possible and that the repertory of sounds that might be produced was wide enough to contain well-defined sets of phonemes, and not simply inarticulate guttural grunts. The bone found is virtually identical to that of modern humans.[11]


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If only they didn't go extinct. Really could use multiple human species right about now.

Had the Neanderthals survived to the present day, I wonder if we would be in peaceful coexistence and mingling with them, remain separate and be in a state of uneasy peace (they control one part of the world, we control the other part), or all-out war.

 

 

 

Robert J. Sawyer wrote a fascinating trilogy, pretty much playing with that idea. Basically, the idea was that a portal was opened into a parallel world where the neanderthals became the dominant species, with a very different technological development, and the portal between worlds allowed both humans and neanderthal to mingle. It's a great read, and among one of my favourite trilogies.

 

https://www.goodread...erthal-parallax


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If only they didn't go extinct. Really could use multiple human species right about now.

Had the Neanderthals survived to the present day, I wonder if we would be in peaceful coexistence and mingling with them, remain separate and be in a state of uneasy peace (they control one part of the world, we control the other part), or all-out war.

 

 

 

Robert J. Sawyer wrote a fascinating trilogy, pretty much playing with that idea. Basically, the idea was that a portal was opened into a parallel world where the neanderthals became the dominant species, with a very different technological development, and the portal between worlds allowed both humans and neanderthal to mingle. It's a great read, and among one of my favourite trilogies.

 

https://www.goodread...erthal-parallax

 

Interesting. Do you know where (if anywhere) it can be read online?



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Instead of giving the masses money, give them resources. That could mean giving everyone a 3-D printer with certain specifications and the government gives each one certain amount of raw resources. Or it could also mean the government or centralized AI, through complex calculations, gives everyone a set of allocation credits for which they could use to utilize resources at no cost to the citizens.

 

Giving money to people just makes the money worth even less which brings about its own set of serious problems.

 

You get the idea.

I think this is in the wrong thread?



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Instead of giving the masses money, give them resources. That could mean giving everyone a 3-D printer with certain specifications and the government gives each one certain amount of raw resources. Or it could also mean the government or centralized AI, through complex calculations, gives everyone a set of allocation credits for which they could use to utilize resources at no cost to the citizens.

 

Giving money to people just makes the money worth even less which brings about its own set of serious problems.

 

You get the idea.

I think this is in the wrong thread?

 

 

Yes, you're right - not sure how the post landed here. I moved the post to the right thread.


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If only they didn't go extinct. Really could use multiple human species right about now.

Had the Neanderthals survived to the present day, I wonder if we would be in peaceful coexistence and mingling with them, remain separate and be in a state of uneasy peace (they control one part of the world, we control the other part), or all-out war.

 

 

 

Robert J. Sawyer wrote a fascinating trilogy, pretty much playing with that idea. Basically, the idea was that a portal was opened into a parallel world where the neanderthals became the dominant species, with a very different technological development, and the portal between worlds allowed both humans and neanderthal to mingle. It's a great read, and among one of my favourite trilogies.

 

https://www.goodread...erthal-parallax

 

Interesting. Do you know where (if anywhere) it can be read online?

 

 

 

Not that I know of, but I know they're available as ebooks such as the Kindle.


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Here is the first book on a shitty but readable pdf.

 

http://worldtracker.... - Hominids.pdf



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I like to think that we teamed up and had awesome times together. Sleep well Neanderthals.
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http://en.wikipedia....xtinction_event

 

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We just weren't as direct last time.


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https://en.wikipedia...leistocene_Park

I'll just leave this here.


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So basically we're pros at this.

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