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^ ^ ^

 

His future looks grim. America is just unable to forgive him. And since very beginning, it wasn't a smart idea to hide from US anger in London.



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^ ^ ^

 

His future looks grim. America is just unable to forgive him. And since very beginning, it wasn't a smart idea to hide from US anger in London.

 

Yeah, it's very likely he's going to spend the rest of his life in a super-max prison with no way of connecting to the world outside.


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Grim indeed.

 

Warning: Don't read if you get claustrophobic easily...

 

https://en.wikipedia...Prison_facility

 

 

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Moral of this whole story - if you really cherish your already limited freedom, don't ever think about trying to hack US government's super secret databases, no matter where you are in the world. Its reach is everywhere.

 

I'm not saying this because I'm proud of my own country. This is one of the things I wholeheartedly despise about it. It is one of the ways America is worse than an authoritarian state.

 

There's that quote by Benjamin Franklin, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

Unbeknownst to most Americans, we have already gone beyond that point, in my opinion. They just think we're on our way there and that there's time to stop it.


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Lord Michael Heseltine:
‘Chilling’ similarities between 1930s and current political climate

 

14 Apr 2019

 

https://www.channel4...litical-climate


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Lord Michael Heseltine:
‘Chilling’ similarities between 1930s and current political climate

 

14 Apr 2019

 

https://www.channel4...litical-climate

 

 

How so? Trumps goal is to enforce our laws that are already on the books. Obama did a lot of what he is doing currently. I'd go as far as  to say that Obama was more effective in deporting the illegals and certainly held illegals in cages". I remember the report and the pictures during Obamas presidency.



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Lord Michael Heseltine:
‘Chilling’ similarities between 1930s and current political climate

 

14 Apr 2019

 

https://www.channel4...litical-climate

 

 

How so? Trumps goal is to enforce our laws that are already on the books. Obama did a lot of what he is doing currently. I'd go as far as  to say that Obama was more effective in deporting the illegals and certainly held illegals in cages". I remember the report and the pictures during Obamas presidency.

 

Not watched the video (at work) but gonna go out on a  limb here and assume the former UK MP, now UK Lord talking to UK channel 4 is probably not discussing US politics? If he is (because I haven't seen the video), just because Obama did it doesn't make something good. You need to stop assuming everything he did was perfect, Obama is just a man. 

 

In terms of how modern America is similar to the 1930s, prejudice (esp anti-Semitism) was much more open back then that it was in say 2005. The general worldview that one country screwing another country over for it's own gain was fine and to be celebrated mostly died after WW2 showed how bad the extremes of that are, and everyone was more working towards mutual benefit (or at least everyone talked in those terms even if  Realpolitik still existed beneath the surface. 

 

Now globally we seem to be moving back to scapegoating minorities for societal/political failures in order to avoid addressing any of the root causes of problems. 



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John Bercow must let Donald Trump address Parliament to bolster special relationship, ministers say

Source: The Telegraph


John Bercow must allow President Donald Trump to address Parliament this summer or risk damaging Britain's special relationship with the US, ministers have suggested.

Preparations are underway for President Trump to make a full State visit to the UK in June to coincide with D-Day 75th anniversary commemorations.

But the Speaker is refusing to extend the traditional courtesy of asking the visiting President to address both Houses of Parliament.

US officials have made it clear that they are angered by Mr Bercow’s snub, which has become an embarrassment to the Government as it tries to make the State visit happen three years after it was first offered by Theresa May.

 


Read more: https://www.telegrap...iament-bolster/



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Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson sacked over Huawei leak

 

Gavin Williamson has been sacked as defence secretary following an inquiry into the leak of information from the National Security Council.

Downing Street said the PM had "lost confidence in his ability to serve" and Penny Mordaunt will take on the role.

The inquiry followed reports over a plan to allow Huawei limited access to help build the UK's new 5G network.

Mr Williamson, who has been defence secretary since 2017, continues to deny leaking the information.

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...litics-48126974

 

 

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Local council election results:
 
UKIP (ultra Brexit) -70%
CON (hard Brexit) -25%
LAB (sneaky Brexit) -10%
LD (Remain) +110%
GRN (Remain) +550%

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A lot of conservatives are announcing that their performance proves people are fed up with them for not delivering brexit hard enough and fast enough, and so these results confirm that brexit is the will of the british people!


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Labour too –

 

 

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Oh, and here's far-Right activist Tommy Robinson getting a milkshake thrown on him yesterday, for the second time in two days!

 

https://www.theguard...ime-in-two-days

 

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I think my main objective on brexit these days is just how consistently brexiters (and to a lesser extent remainers) just lie about it all the time. 

 

17.4m people! that's a majority!

No its not because of basic mathematics also that's from years ago, after campaigns full of lies and exaggerations.

 

We should just cancel brexit that's what the majority wants! 

No because how do you know what the uk wants? Polls use a small sample of people to try to guess what the country wants, polls showing remain justify a referendum to cancel brexit, not just straight up cancelling brexit.

 

EDIT: There are lots of news headlines claiming these results are motivated by "Brexit Anger" but none of them seem to notice that pro remain parties are ahead and the one pure brexit party (UKIP) is down significantly. It must be a media bias thing, because its weird how many sources are claiming these results mean brexit must be achieved ASAP

 

EDIT2: The ability to read this result as support for brexit is nearly universal in British politics!

"Corbyn says every MP must get 'very, very clear' message from election results that Brexit deal 'has to be done'"

 

"May says results show voters want main parties to 'deliver Brexit' "

 

 

 

I just... what are they smoking?


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Parliament refit: First images released of temporary Commons chamber
 
The first images have been released of the proposed temporary home for MPs during restoration work in Parliament.
 
Architects plan to recreate the current chamber of the House of Commons, including the green benches on which MPs sit, at a new venue in Westminster.
 
The move to Richmond House, the former home of the Department of Health, will not happen until 2025 at the earliest.
 
The refurbishment of the current Palace of Westminster, due to cost £4bn, will not now be completed until the 2030s.
 

 

 

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This dangerously moronic clown, pathological liar and sociopath will likely be our next PM.

 

Can the state of British politics get much worse?

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...litics-48299424

 

*weeps*

 

 

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Are you thinking they will choose BJ to swing right to try and grab the Farage voters? Could be interesting to see what the moderate/centrist members of the party do under those circumstances. Maybe they'd jump ship to changeUK or Lib dems? 

 

Or we just keep going with a dysfunctional conservative party that repeatedly votes against itself on everything except votes which might allow someone else any kind of power. 

 

What they need is for Farage to join them, or announce to his followers that they can be trusted etc. as long as he is running around splitting the vote they could possibly be in real trouble next election. 

 

It is weird that headlines keep saying "the Tories are finished" because they're going to lose an EU election. 

 

This is not a UK election, when people across the UK switch to Brexit/UKIP parties in a real election about more than just brexit, then I'll believe that their party is "finished".



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'Whitewashing War Crimes': How UK Academics Promote Pro-Assad Conspiracy Theories About Syria

https://www.huffingt...4b01b9b0a3c4b10

The Left, in Europe and the U.S., seem to have a habit of doing this kind of thing. When the "anti-imperialist" ideology and rhetoric gets too strong, and the facts don't support the rhetoric, the beliefs need an "outlet" -- usually it involves apologetics, rejecting atrocities.

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Parliament refit: First images released of temporary Commons chamber
 

 

It looks like a gladiatorial arena, it's very fitting.


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