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If we can create guns that can take down criminals without killing them which do exist shouldn't that solve the gun problem in America

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What is the point of this? America really does not have a gun problem, I think the problem is exasperated by mass media - as now everything gets reported. Not to start a whole gun debate, but it's a big 'if' if gun control really has an impact on crime (after all, if everyone has a gun, doesn't that ruin the comparative advantage of a criminal having a gun, as he/she is unlikely to get away with committing the crime, and everyone around the criminal is now able to defend themselves?)

 

Ideally, we should teach peace and love. Why do we need to ban guns, or do away with them? People kill more people with their hands, so we might as well amputate people's hands and replace them with a robotic alternative that cannot harm others... RIGHT?!?!

 

 

This makes me think of a funny video of some nutjob thinking we need to make everything 'safe', get rid of knifes, guns.. et cetera. 


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Might solve the so-called "gun problem", but it wouldn't stop the criminals-getting-right-back-up-and-continuing-to-wreak-havoc problem.



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Non-lethal guns? Might as well invent fresh air you can't breath or tasteless food.

 

Besides, how else will we string up the bourgeoisie? With feathers and tickle fights?


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If we can create guns that can take down criminals without killing them which do exist shouldn't that solve the gun problem in America

 

We have tasers but the reason cops don't shoot taser on person that has a baseball bat, knife or pipe is most of the time tasers does not hit the target and you only get one shot.

 

If we had a star trek  phaser set on stun it would change every thing. But again a power power source battery problem may only allow 4 to 8 shots.

 

In future we may have sticky gel glue or pinball guns may change it for how cops go after mad guys.



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If we can create guns that can take down criminals without killing them which do exist shouldn't that solve the gun problem in America

 
We have tasers but the reason cops don't shoot taser on person that has a baseball bat, knife or pipe is most of the time tasers does not hit the target and you only get one shot.
 
If we had a star trek  phaser set on stun it would change every thing. But again a power power source battery problem may only allow 4 to 8 shots.
 
In future we may have sticky gel glue or pinball guns may change it for how cops go after mad guys.

They already built guns that shoots balls of pepper spray which blinds and causes pain for targets

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It seems US cops will typically only use tasers on a person who has already been incapacitated. Which is kinda overkill considering that a taser isn't 100% nonlethal.

Anyway the example of Australia has demonstrated that while getting rid of guns doesn't eliminate crime, it does pretty much eliminate gun-related homicides and accidents. Now consider that US cops alone kill an average of two people per day, quite a few of whom not only haven't committed a crime warranting a death penalty under US laws, but are *completely innocent*. A spread of nonlethal alternatives therefore most certainly could save quite a few lives, although this is exclusively a US thing (and considering US politics hell would sooner freeze over).

 

On the other hand you might see such devices get used for rape or daring theft - which would be a probable reason for why such weapons wouldn't be made legally available to civilians in most of the rest of the world.


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The reason America has such a gun problem is because inequality and public services are so shit. If they increased taxes and created a more redistributive welfare system it would drastically reduce crime. 



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The reason America has such a gun problem is because inequality and public services are so shit. If they increased taxes and created a more redistributive welfare system it would drastically reduce crime. 

No, we need to decrease taxes and create a national federation of worker cooperatives.


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The problem with that idea is that if you take away lethal guns and replace them, messed up schmucks will find new alternatives. However, if the government finds a way to monitor blackmarket sales of illegal weaponry, it might actually soften the blatant gun problem in America.



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It seems US cops will typically only use tasers on a person who has already been incapacitated. Which is kinda overkill considering that a taser isn't 100% nonlethal.

Anyway the example of Australia has demonstrated that while getting rid of guns doesn't eliminate crime, it does pretty much eliminate gun-related homicides and accidents. Now consider that US cops alone kill an average of two people per day, quite a few of whom not only haven't committed a crime warranting a death penalty under US laws, but are *completely innocent*. A spread of nonlethal alternatives therefore most certainly could save quite a few lives, although this is exclusively a US thing (and considering US politics hell would sooner freeze over).

 

On the other hand you might see such devices get used for rape or daring theft - which would be a probable reason for why such weapons wouldn't be made legally available to civilians in most of the rest of the world.

 

 

But that is the US culture. The police in US don't mess around .

 

If you have pipe, pole, bat, hammer, screwdriver, piece of wood or knife you going to get shot. In Europe they would use the taser on you and that is not how the cops do it here.

 

Other thing is because most mad guys have guns in the US a car chase or mad guy cornered in say back alley would have officers gun out ordering the mad guy to the ground.

 

A cop would never do walk through of open door or a break and enter  with out gun out.



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If we can create guns that can take down criminals without killing them which do exist shouldn't that solve the gun problem in America

 
We have tasers but the reason cops don't shoot taser on person that has a baseball bat, knife or pipe is most of the time tasers does not hit the target and you only get one shot.
 
If we had a star trek  phaser set on stun it would change every thing. But again a power power source battery problem may only allow 4 to 8 shots.
 
In future we may have sticky gel glue or pinball guns may change it for how cops go after mad guys.

They already built guns that shoots balls of pepper spray which blinds and causes pain for targets

 

 

Cops on the road carrying guns and taser.

 

In protest and riots they have tear gas and rubber bullets. But you never want to get hit by rubber bullets or have tear gas. It so bad you ask cop to tase you like 20 times that is how mad it is.

 

A rubber bullets not that much better than cop going fill force with the baton.



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The reason America has such a gun problem is because inequality and public services are so shit. If they increased taxes and created a more redistributive welfare system it would drastically reduce crime. 

 

 

Violent offenders should be in Jail for life yes life 100 years or more in Jail.

 

People that do violent home invasions, shooting, stabbing, gun crime , violent assault and rape should be getting life in jail.

 

The US should have tough on crime on violent offenders.

 

Any killing if you mean it or not should be getting the death penalty.

 

These are monsters not people and should not be release from prison.

 

Yes when people are young they may make mistakes but you should not get a slap on tour wrist. The courts may give you one chance to get help and turn you life around if not you in for life.

 

None of this slap on your wrist.



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The reason America has such a gun problem is because inequality and public services are so shit. If they increased taxes and created a more redistributive welfare system it would drastically reduce crime. 

No, we need to decrease taxes and create a national federation of worker cooperatives.

 

 

 

These are monsters and not people and should not be on the city streets that alone getting welfare.

 

I know enough people that where poor or addicted to heroin and done crime to support one self but never gone around  shooting people, stabbing people, beating people up where the victim was sent to the hospital, violent home invasions, gun crime , violent assault so on.

 

People that do this are monsters not human.



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If we can create guns that can take down criminals without killing them which do exist shouldn't that solve the gun problem in America

 

Yes, but only once non-lethals get to the point where they are more effective at taking someone down than a gun is.  That's the entire reason cops use guns now, because they're the most effective stopping weapon.  Once a non-lethals are more effective than guns, mainstream gun usage should shrink to people who are truly looking to remove the other person from the planet which is a minority of crimes.  All law enforcement, the vast majority of citizens, and even most criminals would then choose to use the non-lethal since it helps them achieve their goals better than guns can.

 

As people have pointed out already in the thread none of the current non-lethals fit this bill.  It's difficult to guess when non-lethals will surpass guns in effectiveness, but my guess is in less than a century but more than thirty years.  I hope I'm wrong and something pops up even sooner.  Once the non-lethals are available, it will take another few decades for their prices to come down and for people to sort out in their minds that they're better than guns.  About a century later laws will change and handguns will most likely be either severely regulated or outright banned.  Before that happens expect laws to be passed to exclude shooting someone with a gun to be a valid method of self-defense in most cases--only non-lethals would be a sane choice.  Guns at that point would be an unnecessary risk of incurring a murder charge.



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The reason America has such a gun problem is because inequality and public services are so shit. If they increased taxes and created a more redistributive welfare system it would drastically reduce crime. 

 

 

Violent offenders should be in Jail for life yes life 100 years or more in Jail.

 

People that do violent home invasions, shooting, stabbing, gun crime , violent assault and rape should be getting life in jail.

 

The US should have tough on crime on violent offenders.

 

Any killing if you mean it or not should be getting the death penalty.

 

These are monsters not people and should not be release from prison.

 

Yes when people are young they may make mistakes but you should not get a slap on tour wrist. The courts may give you one chance to get help and turn you life around if not you in for life.

 

None of this slap on your wrist.

 

When you give someone the life sentence, you are effectively taking their life away from them, I don't believe that gang v gang violence, or a non-lethal robbery gone wrong warrants a life sentence, and what about killing in self defense,  would you have them go to jail too, or would they get off Scott free, or some happy medium, because that happy medium is what our court system is now, i also think that you underestimate the penalties, these people are definitely not getting a slap on the wrist, first time offenders or not.15-40 years is an average sentence for violent felony offenders, and think about it.  If you went to prison when you were 20 for 30 years you would be 50 by the time you got out.  You would no longer have the chance for a meaningful life.



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and yes the united states has a gun problem along with a crime and prison problem. less people get shot in countries like Japan or England.


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RANGED TASERS

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and yes the united states has a gun problem along with a crime and prison problem. less people get shot in countries like Japan or England.

Prison, yes. But the US is twice the size of Europe.


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RANGED TASERS

BEAN BAG SHOTGUNS
and yes the united states has a gun problem along with a crime and prison problem. less people get shot in countries like Japan or England.

Prison, yes. But the US is twice the size of Europe.

 

https://en.wikipedia...arceration_rate

Q.E.D.


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