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There isn't a mass incarceration problem or a gun problem. There is a "people want to turn my country into Canada or the EU" problem. No respect for American culture. If anything we need less gun restrictions and more people in prison.


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 and more people in prison.

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There isn't a mass incarceration problem or a gun problem. There is a "people want to turn my country into Canada or the EU" problem. No respect for American culture. If anything we need less gun restrictions and more people in prison.

 

 

But who decides what is and is not American Culture? As someone posted somewhere in this forum (i forget who or where) There are a lot of different groups that became Americans, and they all have left different cultures and attitudes behind

 

The whole "America means guns and violence" is only a prevailing cultural attitude in parts of the country. Why are those parts somehow more valid than other parts where gun ownership is not a cornerstone of the culture?


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There isn't a mass incarceration problem or a gun problem. There is a "people want to turn my country into Canada or the EU" problem. No respect for American culture. If anything we need less gun restrictions and more people in prison.

We are already spending more than $80 million a year on our prison system, we definitely don't need more prisoners.  It would be logical to legalize and reduce sentences for drugs and drug consumption.  People with drug crimes make up 16% of prisoners, if we could get them out of prison sooner and put a tax on these drugs, that would save a lot of money and hassle.



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There isn't a mass incarceration problem or a gun problem. There is a "people want to turn my country into Canada or the EU" problem. No respect for American culture. If anything we need less gun restrictions and more people in prison.

what? why, what is your reasoning? to what ends?


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The 2nd Amendment is part of what makes the US who we are. It means that instead of the most numerous or strongest people doing whatever they want that almost anybody can defend themselves. Which is necessary because crime in this country is out of control. When a person can be beaten unconscious and the police don't look(or just do a token effort) for the assailant(s) because no weapon was involved like the status quo in Las Vegas- that's crazy. Police forces around the country are overwhelmed, understaffed, and constantly criticized for doing their job and criminals know it and see it as a license to do whatever they want.

I will say this. We need to legalize cannibus to free up spots in prison for real criminals.


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The 2nd Amendment is part of what makes the US who we are. It means that instead of the most numerous or strongest people doing whatever they want that almost anybody can defend themselves. Which is necessary because crime in this country is out of control. When a person can be beaten unconscious and the police don't look(or just do a token effort) for the assailant(s) because no weapon was involved like the status quo in Las Vegas- that's crazy. Police forces around the country are overwhelmed, understaffed, and constantly criticized for doing their job and criminals know it and see it as a license to do whatever they want.

I will say this. We need to legalize cannibus to free up spots in prison for real criminals.

we have such a high murder rate compared to other similarly sized first world countries

normal civilians don't need an AR-15 or an uzi.

https://en.wikipedia...l_homicide_rate


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The 2nd Amendment is part of what makes the US who we are. It means that instead of the most numerous or strongest people doing whatever they want that almost anybody can defend themselves. Which is necessary because crime in this country is out of control. When a person can be beaten unconscious and the police don't look(or just do a token effort) for the assailant(s) because no weapon was involved like the status quo in Las Vegas- that's crazy. Police forces around the country are overwhelmed, understaffed, and constantly criticized for doing their job and criminals know it and see it as a license to do whatever they want.

I will say this. We need to legalize cannibus to free up spots in prison for real criminals.

we have such a high murder rate compared to other similarly sized first world countries

normal civilians don't need an AR-15 or an uzi.

https://en.wikipedia...l_homicide_rate

 

Almost nobody is murdered with a semi-automatic rifle or automatic weapon, which yes, normal law-abiding civilians have a right to own. Fun fact, to obtain a fully automatic firearm legally  you need to pay a $500 tax and get a background check- everywhere. Said automatic weapons are ludicrously expensive due to their rarity as only automatic weapons manufactured before a certain date may be resold.

Maybe try stopping the murderers instead of the tools they use because if its not guns it'll be knives.


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The 2nd Amendment is part of what makes the US who we are. It means that instead of the most numerous or strongest people doing whatever they want that almost anybody can defend themselves. Which is necessary because crime in this country is out of control. When a person can be beaten unconscious and the police don't look(or just do a token effort) for the assailant(s) because no weapon was involved like the status quo in Las Vegas- that's crazy. Police forces around the country are overwhelmed, understaffed, and constantly criticized for doing their job and criminals know it and see it as a license to do whatever they want.

I will say this. We need to legalize cannibus to free up spots in prison for real criminals.

we have such a high murder rate compared to other similarly sized first world countries

normal civilians don't need an AR-15 or an uzi.

https://en.wikipedia...l_homicide_rate

 

Almost nobody is murdered with a semi-automatic rifle or automatic weapon, which yes, normal law-abiding civilians have a right to own. Fun fact, to obtain a fully automatic firearm legally  you need to pay a $500 tax and get a background check- everywhere. Said automatic weapons are ludicrously expensive due to their rarity as only automatic weapons manufactured before a certain date may be resold.

Maybe try stopping the murderers instead of the tools they use because if its not guns it'll be knives.

 

still what about the murder rate?


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Fight the causes of the violence. Poverty. Race-baiting. Hard drugs. Despair. Unemployment.

 

Show people who feel they have nothing to lose that they have real viable options to better their own lives through their own actions.

 

Give people hope. Reward ambition (because when all you've known is helplessness and failure and people are saying the world is rigged against you NOTHING IS SCARIER THAN RISKING FAILURE BY HAVING HOPE) and playing by the rules. Simplify small business regulations so people need not be raised by business-savvy parents or have a business degree to make going into business for themselves worth their time.

Its a more real solution for reducing suffering and pain in the world by removing guns and all the good they do.


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Fight the causes of the violence. Poverty. Race-baiting. Hard drugs. Despair. Unemployment.

 

Show people who feel they have nothing to lose that they have real viable options to better their own lives through their own actions.

 

Give people hope. Reward ambition (because when all you've known is helplessness and failure and people are saying the world is rigged against you NOTHING IS SCARIER THAN RISKING FAILURE BY HAVING HOPE) and playing by the rules. Simplify small business regulations so people need not be raised by business-savvy parents or have a business degree to make going into business for themselves worth their time.

Its a more real solution for reducing suffering and pain in the world by removing guns and all the good they do.

while i agree with that I would like to find a study comparing the effect of doing those things and the effect of disarmament. it may be that both have an effect on violence. threat escalation is i well understood topic by the military, and guns play a major role in escalated violence.


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Fight the causes of the violence. Poverty. Race-baiting. Hard drugs. Despair. Unemployment.

 

Show people who feel they have nothing to lose that they have real viable options to better their own lives through their own actions.

 

Give people hope. Reward ambition (because when all you've known is helplessness and failure and people are saying the world is rigged against you NOTHING IS SCARIER THAN RISKING FAILURE BY HAVING HOPE) and playing by the rules. Simplify small business regulations so people need not be raised by business-savvy parents or have a business degree to make going into business for themselves worth their time.

Its a more real solution for reducing suffering and pain in the world by removing guns and all the good they do.

while i agree with that I would like to find a study comparing the effect of doing those things and the effect of disarmament. it may be that both have an effect on violence. threat escalation is i well understood topic by the military, and guns play a major role in escalated violence.

 

Find it yourself. See what's going on in Venezuela right now. Go read some history books.

You know what really escalates threats? People knowing they can get away with something without consequence.

 

I don't where people get off thinking that they have some right to disarm everyone else because they don't see the value of self-defense or an armed citizenship. Its one thing to disagree with it but to think you or anyone else has the right to go around stripping people of their rights, that's another thing. Your personal beliefs or some statistics twisted up in the right knots to make guns look bad doesn't give anyone the right to take away firearms when lessons of history teach us that disarmament usually proceeds abuses of power by the government(Again, just ask Venezuela right now.).


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I'm not sure the Venezuelan situation would have been greatly improved by having everyone in the country armed to the teeth. 

 

It is true that the US has high levels of violent crime for it's relative wealth/technological advancement. 

 

I think the gun laws might be a result of a more violent society, rather than the cause though. Switzerland has very high rates of gun ownership, probably higher than the USA, but comparatively low rates of gun crime.



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