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#101
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What is presently being intensely circulated in the Ukrainian Internet segment is the letter composed by the head of secretariat of Petro Poroshenko Bloc "Solidarity". The letter addressed to the territorial party organizations informs about the changes in the party activities on the threshold of the presidential and parliamentary elections pending in 2019.

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According to the letter, the last party congress, following recommendations of the Ukrainian international partners, decided on putting forward a new presidential candidature for participation in the upcoming elections. This means that the current president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko won't be able to run for the presidency for the second term. The only explanation that suggests itself in the context is that the USA and Europe are disappointed with the failure of the Ukrainian leader to perform the mission they had trusted him with. The West is now voicing harsh criticism of Poroshenko and his name is only associated with frequent scandals and conflicts both inside the country and on international arena. Poroshenko has lost credibility of the Ukrainian citizens having no full authority anymore. The law-enforcement agencies and ministries aren't actually under his control, there is thriving corruption in the country, and many major problems are still staying unresolved. Apart from that, Poroshenko has failed to arrange cooperation with international organizations and comply with the commitments before them to get the necessary political and financial backing. Western experts believe that Ukraine needs a new leader able to bring more political and economic stability to the country.

The source to make the first release of the letter was the political movement "Spravedlivost" ("Justice") led by Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, the former head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU). It only proves the fact that the ruling party is acting hand in hand with Mr. Nalyvaichenko. It's quite probable he is just the person to become an alternative presidential candidate of Petro Poroshenko Bloc. Ex-leader of SBU has been repeatedly declaring his intention to join the presidential race in 2019. It is important to note that he is strongly supported by the USA, intensely interested in replacement of Poroshenko for a more loyal man. Nalyvaichenko is also welcomed by European politicians with whom he had series of meetings after quitting as the SBU head.



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Exiled Ukrainian President Loses Bid to Thaw Assets

 

https://www.courthou...id-thaw-assets/

 

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(Courthouse News) – Wanted in his home country to face charges of high treason, the exiled former president of Ukraine lost his challenge Thursday to an asset freeze imposed by the EU government.

 

The European Council levied the sanctions in question against Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych in March 2014, a month after Ukraine’s parliament voted to remove the billionaire from the presidency he had held for four years.

 

In the months leading up to that ouster, which Yanukovych has described as an “armed coup,” Ukraine was on the brink of civil war brought on by his November 2013 abandonment of a deal two decades in the making that would have established closer ties between Ukraine and the EU.

 

Yanukovych instead pursued a deal that would have strengthened Ukraine’s ties to Russia, where the 67-year-old has been living in exile fleeing Ukraine’s capital.

 

Corruption claims dogged Yanukovych during his time in office, which coincided with his only son, Oleksandr, becoming one of the wealthiest men in the country.

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Former Ukrainian President Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych was prime minister when Russian President Vladimir Putin sat with him in the 2006 visit pictured above.

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Another important and sinister threat from our western partners:

 

State Department warns of possible chlorine gas disaster in Ukraine

 

A new round of violence in Ukraine could lead to a chlorine gas disaster in that country, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s team warned Tuesday.

 
State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert accused “Russian-led forces” of targeting water treatment facilities, with several near-misses of chlorine gas tanks at the plants. The rebuke reiterates the U.S. government’s belief that Russia is responsible for the crisis in eastern Ukraine, which has been driven by conflict over a separatist movement since 2014.
 

In practice, in translation from US diplomatic slang to usual human language, this mean "we're warning you, disaster must and will happen in due time, our specialists are already working on this issue. You, damn Russians, must do this and this... or else..."



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As i told few years ago, eventually, step by step, the real (dirty and unattractive) story of maidan will come to light. Here is the new Italian documentary movie "Ukraine, the hidden truths"

 

Italian Matrix TV channel broadcasted a documentary containing testimonies of the snipers, who killed people on both sides of the conflict on Maidan in winter of 2014
Information about the broadcast appeared in social networks.
"A documentary about repenting snipers that murdered people on Maidan in Kiev was broadcasted in Italy.
Two Georgians and one Lithuanian were led by a Ukrainian and an American. Yanukovich had nothing to do with it.
Everything was perpetrated under the leadership of those very "democratic opposition members", backed by US State Department and the EU, who seized power in Ukraine", wrote member of the DPR People's Council Vladislav Breeg with reference to an Italian source.
The documentary's title is "Ukraine. The hidden truths".
"Snipers confess and tell the truth. It was not the people of Ukrainian President Yanukovich, who shot at protesters, but the West-backed opposition leaders", the Italian source writes.

 

 

In general, this is long ago not a secret for Ukrainians (those few who are still thinking independently). And, of course, these "hidden" truths will never appear in mainstream media.

 

But eventually, after the fall of current regime, Ukrainians will with pleasure recall the names and faces of "heroes": snipers who shot "their own" people on Maidan, neonazis who burned people in Odessa and cops who calmly stepped aside, artillerists who deliberately shelled the schools and kindergartens in Donetsk, journalists and deputies calling for mass murders of "Putin's agents and domestic separatists"... and so on and so forth.



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But eventually, after the fall of current regime, Ukrainians will with pleasure recall the names and faces of "heroes": snipers who shot "their own" people on Maidan, neonazis who burned people in Odessa and cops who calmly stepped aside, artillerists who deliberatelly shelled the schools and kindergartens in Donetsk, journalists and deputies calling for mass murders of "Putin's agents and domestic separatists"... and so on and so forth.

 

Isn't it a sad outcome of all wars?

 

That the atrocities of the other side are only remembered if one is on the side of the victors.

 

Alternatively, if one still secretly feels an identity with the defeated, then the atrocities are recalled in secret?  


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Nobody cares, i know, but i'll leave it here:

 

Something unclear and murky, but very important going on in Luhansk, LPR. The city center was blocked by unidentified armed men. Perhaps, this is the continuation of conflict between head of government Igor Plotnitsky and head of police / security service Igor Cornet. Yesterday, Plotnitsky fired him, but Cornet refused to go and continued his service as if nothing happened. Now he's going to "unmask the villains" surrounding Plotnitsky.

 

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Moreover, a big military column from (supposedly) DPR entered Lugansk this evening: 

 

 

So far, this is very weird and doesn't make much sense...



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...continuation of conflict between head of government Igor Plotnitsky and head of police / security service Igor Cornet.

 

Cornet won, and Plotnitsky had to run away. Yesterday he was seen in Moscow airport:

 

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...and today officially retired "for health reasons". I don't think he will return back to Luhansk. And only very few will miss him. This man was terribly unpopular and involved in many ugly things.

 

And this is Leonid Pasechnik, the new (temporary, till the next elections) head of LPR:

 

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Ukrainian news often sounds as report from madhouse.

 

Michail Saakashivili, the former president of Georgia, then the Ukrainian governor of Odessa, and finally the "prominent opposition leader" was arrested in kiev. SBU rushed into his apartments but, somehow, he managed to escape to the rooof, from here he made a fiery speech to his supporters: "Putin's agents came to arrest me... do not let this happen... seriously, i'm going to jump..." Few minutes later he was arrested.

 

Saakashvili on the roof (i watched the live stream, it was funny).

 

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Arrested:

 

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Live stream, crowd blocked the police cars and trying to release Saakashvili:

 



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Live stream, crowd blocked the police cars and trying to release Saakashvili

 

OMG the crowd just liberated him! Long live Ukraine! Glory to heroes! Long live the Nation! Death to enemies! Ukraine above all!

 

Seriously, I (as Russian patriot) can only wish him good luck and victory (which may lead only to the new cycle of destabilization). As well as I will support anything and everything that brings an end to post-maidan regime.

 

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Ukrainian chronicles:

 

1) Saakashvili was accused in "attempt of coup" and declared "wanted". In fact, there is no need to search him, he and his supporters have established the new tent camp around Parliament.

 

2) Today, at 6 a.m, police forces tried to storm this new quasi-maidan and capture Saakashivi, but were beaten back. There are already blood and wounded, but still no any corpses, and protesters are now armed with shields and helmets captured from police...

 

Deja vu as it is... This is not maidan-2014, this is going on today, on the fourth year after the "Revolution of Dignity":

 

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There is no any fascism in Ukraine... Pavlo Klimkin, Ukrainian minister of foreign affairs can confirm this.

 

"The OSCE meeting ended with positive news. i had a pleasant discussion with my Hungarian collegue Peter Siarto. The number of ethnic Hungarians in Transcarpathia is no longer 150 thousand, but less than 100. People leaving the region. Our common task with Hungary is to help and support their communities."

 

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There is no any fascism in Ukraine... Pavlo Klimkin, Ukrainian minister of foreign affairs can confirm this.

 

"The OSCE meeting ended with positive news. i had a pleasant discussion with my Hungarian collegue Peter Siarto. The number of ethnic Hungarians in Transcarpathia is no longer 150 thousand, but less than 100. People leaving the region. Our common task with Hungary is to help and support their communities."

 

 

 

Why target Hungarians? If anything I'd expect the Ukrainian government to go after Russians not Hungarians. Not questioning your source, I just want to know the rational.


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Why target Hungarians? If anything I'd expect the Ukrainian government to go after Russians not Hungarians. Not questioning your source, I just want to know the rational.

 

They're creating the monoethnic society and Hungarians are the same problem as Russians, though of course in lesser scale. Ukraine have nothing to offer to those Hungarians other than forced assimilation or emigration. 



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Is Ukraine on the brink of another Maidan?

 

http://www.aljazeera...3123711934.html

 

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(Al Jaazera) It has been four years since Ukrainians took to the streets to call for corruption-free democratic governance and rule of law. Today, with the European project in dire straits, the demand of the Maidan protesters - to move Ukraine out of the orbit of Putin's Russia and "join" the family of European democracies to which it "historically belongs" has been under serious strain.

 

As the Russia-sponsored separatist war in its eastern region of Donbass continues, there is an increasingly widespread perception among Ukrainians that their government lacks the political will to fight corruption, which has plagued the country ever since it declared independence in 1991. 

 

As popular disillusionment with the post-Maidan trajectory has increased, populists of all stripes and temperaments have been brought to the surface of Ukraine's turbulent political waters. What unites them all is their argument that President Petro Poroshenkoand the government are "hopelessly mired in their corrupt ways" and nothing short of another (this would be a third) Maidan revolution could rescue Ukraine.

 

Though garnering a pretty modest support - a mere few percent of the electorate - by far the most colourful and media-savvy of these is the former president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili.

 

Stateless and facing a criminal court case in Georgia, Saakashvili was offered Ukrainian citizenship in 2015 and the post of governor of the Odessa region by his former college mate, the Ukrainian president, with a mission to tackle corruption there. After a year of setbacks and lack of results, for which he blamed the entrenched system of patronage and rent-seeking, Saakashvili decided to "go rogue" and entered nationwide politics, convening anti-corruption powwows around the country and eventually creating his own party. 

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Georgia's former President Mikheil Saakashvili flashes a victory sign after he was freed by his supporters in Kiev, Ukraine December 5, 2017

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^ ^ ^ You're a bit late with these news... and btw, this is interesting by itself. When this all happened, no one of mainstream Western media paid any attention. Except "Economist" which, in its own inimitable manner, put all the accents and gave orders who and what "should" do in this situation. Here's their article:

 

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I especially like such phrases as "America ordered the president, Petro Poroshenko, to... The West should press harder... The EU should... America should..."


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^ ^ ^ You're a bit late with these news... and btw, this is interesting by itself. When this all happened, no one of mainstream Western media paid any attention. Except "Economist" which, in its own inimitable manner, put all the accents and gave orders who and what "should" do in this situation. Here's their article:

 

I especially like such phrases as "America ordered the president, Petro Poroshenko, to... The West should press harder... The EU should... America should..."

I agree that the west has no business meddling and the Economist has no business spreading propaganda. But this begs the question, what role is Russia justified in if any? Why not let Ukraine set its own course.


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Why not let Ukraine set its own course.

 

Rhetorical question... why did West supported the state coup of 2014? And when the coup happened, why not just let ethnic Russians to speak their language and maintain their national identity. Iinitially (first weeks after maidan), they didn't even planned to break away, why was it necessary to bring them to the boiling point?



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Why not let Ukraine set its own course.

 

Rhetorical question... why did West supported the state coup of 2014? And when the coup happened, why not just let ethnic Russians to speak their language and maintain their national identity. Iinitially (first weeks after maidan), they didn't even planned to break away, why was it necessary to bring them to the boiling point?

 

I never said the west was justified in interfering, it wasn't. I asked what makes Russia Justified? If ethnic Russians have the right to maintain their national identity than so do the indigenous tribes of Siberia who are under your countries rule. Or do only Russians have the right to their national identity? The sword cuts both ways. If you are going to take that position than you should also support the independence of all suppressed people groups, this is not something to be selective about.

 

For the record I'm not a hypocrite, my own countries suppressed natives should be given back their land and complete autonomy. That's something we both share in common Phoenix, both our peoples are conquerors.


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