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[TheComrade]

After reading Yuli Ban, i decided to draw a map too... this map reflects both my fears and hopes.

 

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The year 2035 AD, fourteen years after the end of short but devastaning world war known as "Days Of Grief". Politicians and historians are still arguing about the origins and reasons of this war... the commonly accepted opinion, hovewer, is that the war was triggered by the maniacal desire of US ruling elites to stop and reverse the erosion of their world hegemony combined with inadequate vision of own and enemy's strengths (see Late USA and US exceptionalism and Baltic Gambit).

 

What started as adventurous attempt to "punish" the Russian "dictator" Vladimir Putin (see Vladimir Putin) in local conventional war (see McCain's testament and Operation "Triumphant Freedom"), was quickly escalated into tactical and then full scale nuclear exchange (see Shoigu's ultimatum). During first weeks of war, all the main cities of European Russia were destroyed and the total human losses of Russian Federation are estimated at 33 million people (see The list of unforgotten). In the face of such human tragedy, a little comfort can be found in the fact that Russian retaliation strike was much more devastating, due to much larger population density in enemy's countries. The exact calculations are still impossible for obvious reasons (see Ungoverned areas), but plausible estimations give us the number between 220 and 300 million people in both Europe and North America.

 

The main historical outcome of "Days Of Grief" was the collapse of US statehood (see Collapse of USA) and quick overall decline of Western world from leading civilization to just one - neither the strongest nor the richest - of few. And since UN was destroyed (not just legally, but literally, in the very first day of nuclear exchange), the main modern international body is the Council Of Nations with headquarter in Shanghai. CoN copied the main principles of former UN, but reflects the new post-war balance of powers. The so-called "founding members" with right of veto are China, Japan, India, Indonesia, Russia, Iran, Nigeria, South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Canada, Australia.

 

And now let's take a closer look at the world map.

 

USA and many countries of Europe stretched from France to Poland (see Belt of Death) are no longer exist. Their territories are either uninhabited or plunged into total barbarism. On the ruins of former USA, for example, the real power belongs partly to local gangs and partly to "Seven Generals" who represent the remnants of US armed forces. In Europe, the situation is even worse: the demoralized local population was subjugated by well-organized Muslim gangs (see Bloody Winter and Frangistan). Needless to say, no one of these new quasi-states was recognized by Council Of Nations.

 

In the North America, the main beneficiaries of war were Canada, which peacefully annexed Alaska and northern part of former USA (see Northern Accords), and Mexico which annexed (already not so peacefully) the southern regions of USA (see Mexican Reconquista). In addition, Canada accepted millions of skilled and culturally close refugees from collapsed southern neighbor and became the natural leader of the Western world.

 

Russian Federation peacefully annexed Belarus, Georgia, Armenia, most of Ukraine and Kazakhstan. These Incorporated Territories were given the special status. After the end of 49 year transitional period, they will either join the Russian Federation or will become independent again. Non-Incorporated Countries are independent in everything except foreign policy.

 

One of these non-incorporated counties, Serbia, with Russian help, regained its hegemony in Balcans. Kosovo and Montenegro - relicts of former world order - were incorporated back into Serbia. In addition, Serbia, positioning itself as "Christian republic", accepted millions of European refugees fleeing from chaos, hunger and Muslim yoke. On the other end of political spectrum, we can see the Scandinavian Federation (former Sweden plus Norway and Iceland) - the relict of pre-war Europe, one of few remaining liberal democracies with still existing cult of tolerance and multiculturalism (still proclaimed in theory but silently rejected in practice).

 

In the Middle East, the main changes were the fall of Saudi Arabia (see Fall of Saudis), the rise of Iran (see Azeri's Accession), and the independence of Kurdistan (see Tehran Accords). Another important event was Indian annexation of Kashmir from weakened Pakistan.

 

Map of Africa remained almost unchanged, except the diplomatic recognition of Somaliland and peaceful formation of South African Federation (former South Africa plus Lesotho, Swaziland, Namibia, and Botswana). Alongside with Nigeria, this new great power represent Africa in Council of Nations.

 

China peacefully regained control over Taiwan and so far remains the only world superpower in all aspects, from economy and demography to science and military. All the other possible competitors, including Canada and Russia, can not even hope to challenge the huge (and still growing) Chinese might.

 

[TranscendingGod]

I don't see anything to hope for in the above post...

[TheComrade]

I don't see anything to hope for in the above post...

 

This is because you're most likely living in future uninhabited area. The Russian victory (at least the semi-victory and plain survival) in forthcoming WW3 is my biggest hope. Then, in the long term, for Russia and many others, elimination of US empire is the good and progressive thing. I just could not invent a single peaceful scenario to achieve this....

[TranscendingGod]

Well no I rather think that my main qualm was the inclusion of a 3rd world war and such a devastating one at that. 

[BasilBerylium]

I like the color you used for the highlighted words.

 

*stealing it (>: D)*

[Jakob]

 

I don't see anything to hope for in the above post...

 

This is because you're most likely living in future uninhabited area. The Russian victory (at least the semi-victory and plain survival) in forthcoming WW3 is my biggest hope. Then, in the long term, for Russia and many others, elimination of US empire is the good and progressive thing. I just could not invent a single peaceful scenario to achieve this....

 

The Donald will deploy his magic wall and all the nukes will bounce off and return to where they came from.

[TheComrade]

The Donald will deploy his magic wall and all the nukes will bounce off and return to where they came from.

 

This is unlikely. In my scenario, Donald Trump was impeached and imprisoned for year or two before "Days Of Grief" (see Pink Revolution). And the war was started by triumphant Democrats.

[joe00uk]

You know those videos on YouTube that people make simulating different wars and stuff, like this? Do you know where they get the maps they use where they can colour in different territories that don't actually correspond to any existing borders, e.g. when simulating an invasion?

[TheComrade]

Do you know where they get the maps they use...

 

From internet, obviously. Type in google search something like "europe blank png" and you'll find many maps including this one (available in larger scale):

 

 

...colour in different territories that don't actually correspond to any existing borders, e.g. when simulating an invasion?

 

Manually, i think, in Paint or Photoshop. Tedious, but not imposible.

[Jakob]

 

The Donald will deploy his magic wall and all the nukes will bounce off and return to where they came from.

 

This is unlikely. In my scenario, Donald Trump was impeached and imprisoned for year or two before "Days Of Grief" (see Pink Revolution). And the war was started by triumphant Democrats.

 

If they strike him down, he will become more powerful than they can possibly imagine.

 

 

joe00uk, on 06 Nov 2017 - 1:52 PM, said:

...colour in different territories that don't actually correspond to any existing borders, e.g. when simulating an invasion?

 

Manually, i think, in Paint or Photoshop. Tedious, but not imposible.

Yeah, I'm using GIMP for my map of Lost Era earth, where the borders have evolved so far that nothing really resembles the present day borders.

[BasilBerylium]

The world at 2025

 

- Original creation: from 2007 to 2012.

[Jakob]

How far back was the POD for that?!

[CoolGuy23]

After reading Yuli Ban, i decided to draw a map too... this map reflects both my fears and hopes.

 

=== === ===

 

The year 2035 AD, fourteen years after the end of short but devastaning world war known as "Days Of Grief". Politicians and historians are still arguing about the origins and reasons of this war... the commonly accepted opinion, hovewer, is that the war was triggered by the maniacal desire of US ruling elites to stop and reverse the erosion of their world hegemony combined with inadequate vision of own and enemy's strengths (see Late USA and US exceptionalism and Baltic Gambit).

 

What started as adventurous attempt to "punish" the Russian "dictator" Vladimir Putin (see Vladimir Putin) in local conventional war (see McCain's testament and Operation "Triumphant Freedom"), was quickly escalated into tactical and then full scale nuclear exchange (see Shoigu's ultimatum). During first weeks of war, all the main cities of European Russia were destroyed and the total human losses of Russian Federation are estimated at 33 million people (see The list of unforgotten). In the face of such human tragedy, a little comfort can be found in the fact that Russian retaliation strike was much more devastating, due to much larger population density in enemy's countries. The exact calculations are still impossible for obvious reasons (see Ungoverned areas), but plausible estimations give us the number between 220 and 300 million people in both Europe and North America.

 

The main historical outcome of "Days Of Grief" was the collapse of US statehood (see Collapse of USA) and quick overall decline of Western world from leading civilization to just one - neither the strongest nor the richest - of few. And since UN was destroyed (not just legally, but literally, in the very first day of nuclear exchange), the main modern international body is the Council Of Nations with headquarter in Shanghai. CoN copied the main principles of former UN, but reflects the new post-war balance of powers. The so-called "founding members" with right of veto are China, Japan, India, Indonesia, Russia, Iran, Nigeria, South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Canada, Australia.

 

And now let's take a closer look at the world map.

 

USA and many countries of Europe stretched from France to Poland (see Belt of Death) are no longer exist. Their territories are either uninhabited or plunged into total barbarism. On the ruins of former USA, for example, the real power belongs partly to local gangs and partly to "Seven Generals" who represent the remnants of US armed forces. In Europe, the situation is even worse: the demoralized local population was subjugated by well-organized Muslim gangs (see Bloody Winter and Frangistan). Needless to say, no one of these new quasi-states was recognized by Council Of Nations.

 

In the North America, the main beneficiaries of war were Canada, which peacefully annexed Alaska and northern part of former USA (see Northern Accords), and Mexico which annexed (already not so peacefully) the southern regions of USA (see Mexican Reconquista). In addition, Canada accepted millions of skilled and culturally close refugees from collapsed southern neighbor and became the natural leader of the Western world.

 

Russian Federation peacefully annexed Belarus, Georgia, Armenia, most of Ukraine and Kazakhstan. These Incorporated Territories were given the special status. After the end of 49 year transitional period, they will either join the Russian Federation or will become independent again. Non-Incorporated Countries are independent in everything except foreign policy.

 

One of these non-incorporated counties, Serbia, with Russian help, regained its hegemony in Balcans. Kosovo and Montenegro - relicts of former world order - were incorporated back into Serbia. In addition, Serbia, positioning itself as "Christian republic", accepted millions of European refugees fleeing from chaos, hunger and Muslim yoke. On the other end of political spectrum, we can see the Scandinavian Federation (former Sweden plus Norway and Iceland) - the relict of pre-war Europe, one of few remaining liberal democracies with still existing cult of tolerance and multiculturalism (still proclaimed in theory but silently rejected in practice).

 

In the Middle East, the main changes were the fall of Saudi Arabia (see Fall of Saudis), the rise of Iran (see Azeri's Accession), and the independence of Kurdistan (see Tehran Accords). Another important event was Indian annexation of Kashmir from weakened Pakistan.

 

Map of Africa remained almost unchanged, except the diplomatic recognition of Somaliland and peaceful formation of South African Federation (former South Africa plus Lesotho, Swaziland, Namibia, and Botswana). Alongside with Nigeria, this new great power represent Africa in Council of Nations.

 

China peacefully regained control over Taiwan and so far remains the only world superpower in all aspects, from economy and demography to science and military. All the other possible competitors, including Canada and Russia, can not even hope to challenge the huge (and still growing) Chinese might.

 

 

John McCain is my hero tho <3

[Yuli Ban]

And now there's https://historicalmapchart.net.
 
Still very new, but useful!
 
RED AMERICA: 1880s
 
The story here is that the American Civil War lasted from 1861 to 1869 because Great Britain entered the war on the Confederate's side.  This didn't end well, because France then supported the Union and used that as a pretense to start a European war with England (because the national pastime of England and France is fighting each other). The Franco-Prussian War still happened, mind you. 
So now take a North whose infrastructure was ruined by an even worse war, a South who suffered an even worse total war, and on top of that pile the Panic of 1873. The great labor strikes were ten times the size they were in our time, with general strikes occurring just about every other month until finally in 1875 there was one total strike across the country that led to the president— Abraham Lincoln, who has remained in power due to the crises of the union demanding it— demanding the military open fire on citizens. Now this wasn't uncommon. Business leaders would promise the soldiers handsome paychecks to gun down strikers. But this was different because the US military units hadn't been paid in months, global trade was so dampened that food was becoming scarce, money was worthless so even if they did get paid they wouldn't have been able to use it, and the military units were no longer just being called to gun down the Negroes and Irish workers or strangers from the city. No, these are also their own family and friends out striking. 

 

So there was a stupendous military revolt, and within hours the US government became defunct. Labor unions, including radical ones, seized control. 

 

The unions could have gone any which way, but the unionist government was then visited by an old and frail Karl Marx in 1876 who made an impassioned speech for the new government to adopt socialism in full. One thing led to another, and by 1877, a new Marxist constitution was adopted. 

This kicked off a second civil war as business magnates desperately fought to defend their property, but to keep it short, it was over by 1880 and the Worker's Republic of America was officially established. Similar revolutions occurred in British Canada, British Honduras, Mexico (some might say suspiciously too close in time, all starting within a week of each other), and Panama (independently) and these countries joined the "American Worker's Confederation" (the Warsaw Pact of the Americas essentially). Revolution reached the Caribbean as Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico also succumbed to civil war. In these cases, it was less suspicious— the native populations were emboldened by the successful American socialist revolution, kicking off what may or may not have been successful revolts.

 

Naturally, Europe freaked out. England, France, Spain, Prussia/Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Brazil formed the United Christian League. 

Russia was concerned, but not existentially so. 

 

[Yuli Ban]

Mexican Civil War: 21st Century Edition

 

Very rudimentary idea right now, but the gist is: shit goes down later this year after the elections are heavily disputed. Andrés Manuel López Obrador clearly led in the polls and was fresh on the way towards victory, but then the election came around and very obvious signs of election fraud occurred, leading to mass protests. From here, other major triggers were pulled, such as more mass graves being discovered, discontent in the South blowing over, and the drug lord-backed assassination of reformers and human rights activists taking too many souls. This is exacerbated in 2019 following drought and a triple whammy of major hurricane landfalls, including the most powerful storm ever recorded on Earth that October. Crackdowns to crush dissent backfire, especially as innocent civilians are terrorized. 

 

As the Syrian Civil War begins drawing to a close in 2019, a new civil war erupts halfway across the world. It starts in December 2018 but truly accelerates in 2019 and going into 2020. Communists from the Zapatista regions of Chiapas take control of various states and begin finding and executing drug pushers, smugglers, and kingpins wherever they can find them. 

 

This begins a very deadly civil war, one whose death toll would average 150,000-200,000 a year going forward right up to 2026.

 

In 2022, the Civil War seemed like it was almost over as the Communists were pushed back to one last state and a few other disputed states. 

 

However, crushing the Zapatistas was not an easy task and repeated offensives failed. 

 

Further complicating matters was the secession of Baja California into its own nation, La Nación de California. It wasn't so much the two states' desire for independence as much as it was Mexican ultranationalists using the chaos to create a nationalist state for themselves in a region that would not be easily defended. Claims that Russia and China funded the Nación were rampant and this caused tensions to flair up between the USA/Mexico and the two Old World superpowers for a time.

 

In 2026, things spiraled out of control as the Zapatistas managed to launch a Tet Offensive-styled push that wound up stealing half of the entire country, encircling Mexico City and launching a siege. This plunged the country into complete collapse, turning Mexico into an officially recognized "failed state" by international standards. Warlords emerged, some of them being former drug lords rebranding themselves and others being CIA-backed fronts. China threw its support behind the Zapatistas and Nationalists.  By 2028, there were essentially four Mexicos— Northern Mexico, which was the United Mexican States as it was since the 1800s; Southern Mexico, a libertarian socialist revolutionary state; Nation of California, a racist and nationalist/socialist strip that saw itself as locked in a race war against Europeans; and "Dead Mexico", the central region of the country obliterated by a never-ending civil war, which includes the once mighty megalopolis of Mexico City. 

By 2029, Mexico's GDP had fallen by 70% of what it was in 2019, and much of its population had fled to the United States, further aggravating nationalists and nativists while also greatly altering American demographics— between 2019 and 2029, some 48 million Mexicans moved to the USA, doubling the nation's Hispanic population and turning Hispanics into the single largest minority group in the country by some distance. In fact, by 2030, it's found that there are 115 million Hispanics in America, making up 1/3 of the entire population by themselves. By contrast, there are 210 million non-Hispanic Whites. This demographic shift, one that claimed that Whites would become a minority in the United States, essentially occurred a full decade before what was originally predicted entirely due to the chaos in Mexico.

The USA deployed "advisers" to Mexico in 2018 in the days preceding the civil war.  However, this became a full-fledged troop build-up after 2026, which led many to claim that Mexico had become the "new Vietnam". At the peak, there were 350,000 active personnel in Mexico— mostly central Mexico.

 

Further complicating matters was the rise of the M.O.R., Milicia Obrera Revolucionaria, or Revolutionary Workers Militia, in Northern Mexico (especially Chihuahua and Sonora). Though not aligned to that Zapatistas (the MOR is a much more authoritarian movement aiming to create a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist state), they nevertheless claim to be "historically aware" and refuse to let ideological differences keep them from fighting alongside the Zapatistas, who they see as fellow anticapitalist revolutionaries— they'll work out their differences after they wrest the country away from the old order.

The MOR brings the war to previously unscathed areas, and their repeated attacks on American tourists is what truly prompted an American military response.

The final straw for the United States came in 2026 when the MOR did the unthinkable and launched missiles into El Paso, Texas, aiming specifically at the upscale districts in an attempt to take the lives of wealthier American citizens. They succeeded, killing 15. 

 

When the USA moved into Mexico, they entered a nation that had been at war for the better part of two decades— first having dealt with the narcowars and now dealing with a civil war that had since become the 21st century's first war to claim over a million lives*. For the most part, America engaged in a mechanized war— most actual "casualties" were combat drones (aka 'killer robots'), autonomous combat units (aka 'killer robots'), and automated weapons systems (aka 'killer robots'). However, 27,000 US troops did lose their lives between 2026 and 2030.

 

*disputed, due to disagreements about the death tolls of the Iraq War and Syrian Civil War.

 

 

Death toll of Mexican Civil War: 310,000.

[Yuli Ban]

 

Death toll of Mexican Civil War: 783,000.

[Yuli Ban]

 

Death toll of Mexican Civil War: 930,000.

[Yuli Ban]

 

Deadliest year of the war, with 1,760,000 confirmed fatalities (mostly civilians due to resource deprivation). 

 

Death toll of Mexican Civil War: 2.7 million.

[Yuli Ban]

 

Death toll of Mexican civil war: 3.2 million.

 

Has it ever occurred to anyone that Mexico looks like a chili pepper?

[BasilBerylium]

^ MapChart is getting better.