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Poll: PRC vs. USA (34 member(s) have cast votes)

When will China surpass the USA?

  1. 2018-2024 (13 votes [38.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.24%

  2. 2025-2029 (13 votes [38.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.24%

  3. After 2030 (6 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  4. Never (2 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

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What would cause China to self-partition ? Differing self identities of enough Chinese ? An alternative vision of their/family future ?

 

 

I think the protests in Hong Kong show that the lack of democracy will give energy toward such "self-partitioning."  Admittedly, probably not enough too actually achieve a clear break.  Here is another article, parts of which I have cited, that explain this as an issue:

 


Extradition and independence: What’s behind the continued protests in Hong Kong

 

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(Vox) Hong Kong has operated as a “special administrative region” of China since 1997, when it was transferred to the country after more than 150 years as a British colony. In a model known as “one country, two systems,” Hong Kong, which has long had a significant pro-democracy faction, retains its own political and legal systems but is under Chinese sovereignty — this arrangement was meant to last until 2047.

 

But that independence is under threat in the eyes of many Hong Kongers. Ben Bland, a Hong Kong expert at the Lowy Institute in Australia, told Vox’s Alex Ward, “In recent years, the Hong Kong government has disqualified elected lawmakers, banned activists from running for office, prohibited a political party, jailed pro-democracy leaders, expelled a senior foreign journalist, and looked the other way when Beijing kidnapped its adversaries in Hong Kong.”

 

The Chinese government has also been working to tamp down pro-democracy efforts within the city, Ward reported: “At China’s direction, the Hong Kong government in recent years has quashed the city’s democratic movement, blocked opposition candidates from running for elected office, and put down nearly all protest movements.”

 

The extradition legislation was introduced amid this atmosphere, and was seen by its critics as a continuation of that trend.


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Matthew Brennan on Twitter:

 

"Click farm of 8,000 mobile phones in Shandong province China."

 

https://twitter.com/...109007239380992

 

 

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What are click farms? A shadowy internet industry is booming in China

 

July 20, 2019

 

In China, the world’s largest smartphone market with over 800 million users, a unique type of farm springs up in urban areas.

The only crops there are smartphones.

The operations, known as click farms, can house hundreds or thousands of iPhones and Android phones on the shelves. They are plugged in and programmed to search, click, and download a certain app over and over again. The goal is to manipulate the system of app store rankings and search results.

“The business of fake views is so widespread,” the South China Morning Post reported in 2018, “that Chinese state media CCTV reported that 90 per cent of views generated by many popular shows on video sites are fake.”

App developers buy the service to boost their products' visibility in an effort to win a bigger slice of the $50 billion dollar online advertising market in China.

 

https://finance.yaho...-154440209.html

 

 

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I think it's important to note when discussing China's rise. The belief that they will eclipse the US in power ignores very heavily the structure of American power and influence. America is not just America, it is NATO, and MNNA.
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I think it's important to note when discussing China's rise. The belief that they will eclipse the US in power ignores very heavily the structure of American power and influence. America is not just America, it is NATO, and MNNA.

Or the structural fault lines & bottlenecks within the CPC. 

 

 

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Hong Kong protests: Fireworks launched outside police station

 

At least 10 people were injured when fireworks were shot from a moving car into a crowd of pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong.

Protesters had gathered to support a small number of activists detained at a police station in Tin Shui Wai district.

It is not clear who was behind the incident, which was shared on social media platforms including Telegram.

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...-police-station



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China Taking Control of the Flow of the Most Important River in Southeast Asia
Brian Wang | August 5, 2019
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China is taking control of the flow of Southeast Asia’s most important river through a dam-building spree.

The Mekong river starts in China and flows through Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Cambodia and Vietnam. It feeds 60 million people through its basin and tributaries.

 

https://www.nextbigf...heast-asia.html



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Hong Kong lawyers march in silence to support protesters

 

https://www.thenatio...esters-1.895498

 

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(The National) Hong Kong lawyers held a silent march in support of anti-government protesters on Wednesday, highlighting the movement's enduring broad appeal despite increasingly ominous warnings from Beijing.

 

Hundreds of lawyers dressed in black marched under the scorching sun from the city's highest court to the justice secretary's office.

 

The rally came as daily demonstrations have become increasingly violent and China ramped up its warnings to protesters, saying on Tuesday that "those who play with fire will perish by it".

 

The legal professionals — who usually eschew demonstrations — have now marched twice since early June.

 

They are backing the protest movement's demand for an independent inquiry into law enforcement tactics but they also said they were marching against politically motivated prosecutions from the city's Department of Justice.


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Hong Kong shuts down airport as Beijing says protesters show 'signs of terrorism'

Source: LA Times


Hong Kong’s government canceled all flights departing from the international airport on Monday afternoon, sending police toward the airport as thousands of protesters occupied the terminals in a peaceful sit-in.

The Airport Authority said flights were canceled because large numbers of protesters were “disrupting operations.” The shutdown began at 4 p.m., just as a spokesman for the State Council’s highest Hong Kong affairs office in Beijing said protesters showed “signs of terrorism.”

“These violent, illegal actions must be met with determined legal crackdown, with no softening of hands or any sign of mercy,” said the State Council’s Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Spokesman Yang Guang in a press briefing, accusing protesters of throwing gasoline bombs .

“Hong Kong has arrived at a critical point.”

 

Read more: https://www.latimes....ns-of-terrorism


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One wonders if the China government figured out all these Orwellian tricks on their own, or whether they learned them from Orwell. Western authors do seem to make a rather large impression on the minds of China leaders -- Marx being the most obvious example.

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I think Orwell was describing totalitarian regimes, including China.  So, I don't think the Chinese needed any help from Orwell in that regard. After all, 1984 was set within an international context.


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Speaking of watching China...

 


Chaos at Hong Kong airport as protests turn violent, disrupting flights for second day in a row

 

https://www.latimes....nd-day-in-a-row

 

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(Los Angeles Times) HONG KONG — 

 

Chaos consumed Hong Kong’s international airport Tuesday as formerly peaceful pro-democracy protests took a turn toward vigilantism. Thousands of protesters blocked passengers and occupied terminals, forcing the airport to suspend all check-ins for the second day in a row, later clashing with riot police and attacking suspected undercover cops in their midst.

 

More than 300 flights had already been canceled Tuesday following Monday’s airport shutdown due to a similar protest.

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Police clash with anti-government protesters at the airport in Hong Kong.

Photograph: Thomas Peter/Reuters


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How filmmaker Nanfu Wang exposed the global repercussions of China’s “one child” policy

 

https://www.vox.com/...view-nanfu-wang

 

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(Vox) Documentarian Nanfu Wang grew up in rural China under the country’s “one child” policy, which lasted from 1979 to 2015. Her own parents had two children, since the law made an exception for families living in rural areas, as long as the children were at least five years apart — but not until after her mother narrowly escaped involuntary sterilization. Many other women were not so lucky. The policy’s mental, physical, and emotional toll on the country, especially its women, was tremendous.

 

To enforce such an invasive policy on a population as large as China’s required more than just strict policing — it required self-policing, especially in rural areas, far away from more densely populated urban centers. So, as One Child Nation shows, the Chinese government blanketed the country with propaganda intended to convince citizens to keep their family sizes within the allowed limit, and to report on their neighbors if they suspected anyone wasn’t following the rules. Along with forced abortions and sterilizations, the propaganda effort ensured that most of the population would abide by the policy, seeing it as a necessary and good measure for the health of their families and their future.

One Child Nation is Wang’s personal and journalistic exploration of the ramifications of the One Child era, both in China and around the world. She speaks with a midwife in China who had to perform abortions on thousands of women; an artist who depicts the grisly results of the policy; and a couple in the US who help adopted Chinese children try to reunite with their biological families, many of whom sold children to orphanages for adoption abroad because they already had a child. It is a harrowing film that confronts and confounds Western ideas about agency, choice, reproduction, and bodily autonomy.

 

I recently spoke with Wang by phone about the risks she took making the film, the hot-button topics it confronts, and what she learned about propaganda while she worked on it. Our conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity. (See linked article for interview)

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American Gov’t, NGOs Fuel and Fund Hong Kong Anti-Extradition Protests



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Something you'll never see on the pages of New York Times: the "peaceful democratic protesters" of Hong Kong torture the captured journalist of Global Times (Chinese official newspaper).

 

"I support the Hong Kong police. And now you can start beating me."

 

Can you say this, being tied and surrounded by the enemy crowd? This man is a real hero.

 

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Something you'll never see on the pages of New York Times

 

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"You don't see MSM reporting this."

 

"Not surprised this isn't on fox news."

 

"Hmm, it seems like CNN is silent."


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I think the unrest in Hong Kong represents a grave threat to the stability of China. 
 
President Xi will not want to lose Hong Kong after having failed to manage the country's various socio-economic problems. Doing so could lead to greater opposition to his authoritarian rule. But more importantly, I think Xi and the Communist Party are nervous that the unrest may spill over into the mainland, threatening the regime. The Chinese government has consolidated itself into a dictatorship, imposing strict censorship and surveillance on Chinese society, specifically to prevent political infighting and unrest from building up. Failure to control Hong Kong would expose the weakness of the regime and may encourage the population to rise up.
 
The Chinese military has amassed along the Hong Kong border, threatening to intervene. But military intervention would have devastating consequences. Hong
Kong is a major financial center important to China and acts as its gateway to the rest of the world. Its economy would be in shambles. Residents would mount a fierce resistance to Chinese authorities, resulting in mass casualties. China's global image would be tarnished and it would be met by a harsh international response.
 
I've been reading that many people don't think there will be any military intervention because the consequences would be too severe.
 
Perhaps China will use a less heavy-handed approach to contain the unrest? The military exercises going on in Shenzhen could be used as a distraction as China sends in some of its own police officers to support and meld with local forces, possibly to conduct mass arrests and restore order. China could stage some sort of situation to justify going in less violently and asserting strict political control. Whatever the approach, I'm certain it's not going to let Hong Kong go. What goes on there is just too important to China.
 
If China intervenes, I think it will show just how big of a threat Hong Kong really is. Fear will compel the Chinese government to act. And China has a lot to be afraid of.

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A recent article whose title may at first glance appear to put a damper on China's prospects for superpower status can alternatively be viewed as something truly disconcerting for all other developed nations. With a population where only 30% has the equivalent of a high school education and yet  has already achieved the status and unparalleled levels of growth that it has then it is truly scary what China can and will achieve once it solves so elementary a problem as the education of their workforce.  While the United States, Japan, and Western European countries in contrast hold populaces where 90%+ hold the equivalent of a high school education and only nominally outpace China in terms of inventiveness and productivity the world should be cowering at the behemoth that is a truly empowered China. Quake and tremble because at current rates of progression we are as children pounced upon by a determined predator with no parent to help us in sight.

 

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