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BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions"

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https://twitter.com/...632137072623616

 

Important to note that at this stage Nunes has not implicated Obama in this. 


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He and his entire team were russian agents and should of been spied on.

 

The bastard should go down for treason.



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It's "should have" - and you're the one who is anti-Western Civilization. 



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Well, if Trump was a "Russian Agent" then Bernie was a "Jewish Zionist Bolshevik"


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He and his entire team were russian agents and should of been spied on.

 

The bastard should go down for treason.

[citation needed] 


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You using that as a citation explains a lot about your views..


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Back to this announcement: It doesn't look like he has any evidence that has been shared with anyone else?

 

From what i have read (cant watch videos at work) Essentially he is saying "i have seen some documents which i can't show you or discuss in detail which show that the president and his team may have had their communications monitored by US foreign intelligence services when they were communicating with foreign representatives in the US"

 

is that correct?



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Honestly, I'm not surprised.  My biggest question regarding this is: How far into his cabinet/associates does this go?  Especially Pence.  If Trump and Pence were both involved, we could be seeing a double impeachment, and if Ryan is involved, a triple impeachment essentially.  I doubt Ryan would be involved, but I think there is a high likely hood that Pence could be.


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You are aware that for much of America your text messages sent to your mother pass through intelligence services hands?

 

On top of that, the US intelligence services monitor pretty much all international communications with governments and political powers over seas.

 

Seriously. Who could have ever imagined a program which permits the monitoring of all communications for the security of all Americans, and for reporting which Snowden is a traitor, because if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about; could possibly result in Supreme leader Trumps communications with international political and economic forces being spied upon?


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You are aware that for much of America your text messages sent to your mother pass through intelligence services hands?

 

On top of that, the US intelligence services monitor pretty much all international communications with governments and political powers over seas.

 

Seriously. Who could have ever imagined a program which permits the monitoring of all communications for the security of all Americans, and for reporting which Snowden is a traitor, because if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about; could possibly result in Supreme leader Trumps communications with international political and economic forces being spied upon?

This video lays out some more of the nuance of data collection

 

Data is collected en masse but it's another matter for U.S. persons to be "unmasked" and have their names disseminated through the agency. Also another matter for that process to not include all three branches of government. Unclear whether that last part is applicable here, but the investigation into who authorised the surveillance of these persons and who authorised their unmasking is important. 

 

This isn't just your ISP storing your search history. 


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Bernie was a "Jewish Zionist Bolshevik"

 

Citation needed.


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Data is collected en masse but it's another matter for U.S. persons to be "unmasked" and have their names disseminated through the agency. Also another matter for that process to not include all three branches of government. Unclear whether that last part is applicable here, but the investigation into who authorised the surveillance of these persons and who authorised their unmasking is important. 

 

This isn't just your ISP storing your search history. 

 

 

 

Funny how folks are now waking up to the dangers of government agencies now that one of their own was targeted for surveillance.  Before, it was always "well if you are not doing anything illegal, then you have nothing to fear."

 

Now, the focus is on the fact that the Trump team may have had their communications monitored because of their ties to people that were doing things illegal.  Mind you, those ties might have been inadvertent or impossible to avoid.  (Or they might not have been so inadvertent).  

 

Isn't it also interesting that these same folks had no problem condemning Hillary for what secret communications of her team made public revealed, but are now defensive of Trump on the grounds that his privacy should be protected.

 

So, it is acceptable to rely on hacking completed by foreign powers that is illegal under U.S. law, but it is objectionable that people here in the United States might have been caught up in FISA warranted taps?

 

As far as "who authorised their unmasking" just look at the headline.  Then look beyond the headline and you realize that it was the Republican head of the Intelligence committee who "unmasked" that the wire tapping took place.  So, why did the issue come to a head?

 

Because Trump wanted to divert attention from the fact that his Attorney General had made false statements during his confirmation and had felt the need to recuse  himself from being involved in investigations against the Trump team. So the head of the House Intelligence Committee leaked the information to provide cover for Trump's wild accusations.

 

So, wiretapping conducted under laws that Republican lawmakers were involved in drafting and supported was unmasked by a Republican lawmaker.  So, whose fault is it: why the Democrats of course.

 

This is the pretzel logic so typical of Republicans.  

 

Meanwhile, one has to wonder exactly what investigations resulted in these intercepted communications.  Democrats warned in the campaign that Trump had mob connections.  Could it have been from an investigation into activities of one of these mobsters?

 

(The probe into the possible involvement of Russia in the election was specifically ruled out as not being the cause of these intercepted communications).

 

Another distraction.  It is unfair that Trump and/or his team may have been caught up in an investigation for criminal misconduct?  What is the defense here? That Trump and/or his team should not be investigated for colluding with a foreign power because they were already under investigation for communicating with others that may have actually been guilty of criminal misconduct?

 

 

Remember, a FISA warrant may only be issued upon finding of probable cause to believe that a target has been involved in criminal misconduct.


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Not directly relevant to the conversation but:

 

I think the US security services should absolutely investigate presidential candidates, and other candidates for powerful positions in the US government, cos if you have something to hide, you have no business holding the most powerful job in the country.

 

They should all be bugged the whole time, it should be a sacrifice you have to make to be president. For the same reason it makes sense for police officers to wear cameras while on duty.

 

As a private citizen your privacy should be assured, (probably more than it currently is), but if you decide to run for congress or the presidency or something then you should have to give up the right to be free from observation. No one is forcing anyone to become president after all. 



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So it was Susan Rice who unmasked trump transition team names. Hmmm. Interesting.

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