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If there was a chip that got rid of the presumed bad parts of humanity, would you take it?

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if one day, we manged to craft a chip that could reduced the presumed " primal instincts" that resulted in all the misdeeds we have caused.



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Good question, now that I seriously think about it. 

 

A lot of those "primal instincts" are more complex than you think. It's not really like you can stick a chip in our brains and voila, no more hate, envy, anger, or fear. Some of these emotions and instincts are directly tied to others, after all. Like love. If you love something, that means you prize its existence over other things. If you don't defend its existence, then do you really love it? In order to defend it, you'll wind up feeling fear over it being attacked and destroyed, envy if someone else covets it more or has something better than it, or even hate towards those you think want to destroy it. 

 

If this chip could simply regulate these emotions, keep us from taking it to homicidal or genocidal extremes, that's one thing. But entirely removing these "bad" parts would be a bad move. 

 

 

 

We ask why we humans engage in racism and xenophobia. Consider this— you're in the wild and you see a voracious lion. If you don't immediately suspect that this lion is potentially going to kill you, you're likely going to be killed yourself. Because maybe it'll kill you. Triple this if you've seen this exact lion kill some of your mates before. 

There you go; that's the root of racism. It's irrational in a modern context, yes, but there's a point to it. If we didn't know how to discriminate, we'd likely have gone the way of our Australopithecine grandfathers. This chip would have to, itself, allow you to instantly discriminate between humans and non-humans in your discrimination. 

 

If you simply force people to be 'good', well now you have a society of clockwork oranges. 

 

You'd have a better shot at rectifying these problems if you do a complete overhaul, creating a new species from the ground up that naturally had a superior mindset without the need for regulation.


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Yuli Ban would probably want to forcefully implant a chip that makes everyone technocrats who want to repeal the 1st, 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, sterilize everyone who doesn't follow the party line, and only allow "smart" people to vote.


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Yuli Ban would probably want to forcefully implant a chip that makes everyone technocrats who want to repeal the 1st, 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, sterilize everyone who doesn't follow the party line, and only allow "smart" people to vote.

Oh not at all!

 

You can keep the 1st amendment and the 13th amendment, and I'm not actually for sterilizing everyone. That's just a joke— don't go getting offended now just because I'm not making fun of SJW causes. It just happens that there is a somewhat sizeable population that I feel shouldn't breed. 

I'm not against allowing stupid people to vote; I'm against allowing stupid people to obtain power. And I mean that literally— the likes of Ted Cruz will still be found in government, but he'd meet his match amongst his peers since I'd probably institute a rule that someone has to have a base IQ to enter government. Something like 140, maybe. 


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if one day, we manged to craft a chip that could reduced the presumed " primal instincts" that resulted in all the misdeeds we have caused.

 

So get rid of the little republican that lays within each and everyone of us....I think that would benefit the world greatly!



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if one day, we manged to craft a chip that could reduced the presumed " primal instincts" that resulted in all the misdeeds we have caused.

 

So get rid of the little republican that lays within each and everyone of us....I think that would benefit the world greatly!

 

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Just in case you missed it there is an excellent action movie called Equilibrium which is basically about this (but taken way to far) you should watch it if you haven't already.

 

I think chips which help people with brain problems are already a thing people are working on, over time they will probably make chips to assist with mental health issues like depression which have a root in the brain function/chemistry. These will probably be released with no complaints.

 

Then someone will suggest a version for anger management or violence maybe starting with prisoners, and that's when society will have to have a big conversation about what is and isn't OK. The outcome of that will depend on the feelings of those in power at the time, might vary from country to country.

 

Also recreational use of these chips could be a thing, Imagine downloading interesting programs from your anti depression chip, which mimic the effects of certain drugs and give you amazing euphoric feelings or hallucinations or maybe new feelings and sensations no one has ever experienced before.  Also you could have a chip with enhancing effects, similar to methylphenidate and other "learning drugs".

 

Finally can people shut up about how much they hate whatever political stance/ belief they disagree with in threads that are nothing to do with politics, or that belief?



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Just in case you missed it there is an excellent action movie called Equilibrium which is basically about this (but taken way to far) you should watch it if you haven't already.

Eh, I heard about it and saw the first few minutes...seems very unoriginal and blatantly cliched (white, sterile-looking future? jumping in with a blunt club and eradicating complex and nuanced aspects of the human condition, leading to Very Big Problems? the one guy who notices and decides to do something about it? really? Seen it all before.)



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Yes if it was thoroughly tested and such.

 

Just as a note i don't think this is a discussion of how you would make it work or if its possible to just cut out the bad parts. from what i understand it's a question of if it does work as intended by the op, would you be willing to get rid of the bad parts of yourself with and implanted chip.

 

In this premise you would not be losing that witch makes humans intelligent or able to make reasonable decisions in regards to risk assessment.

The primary quote being "presumed bad parts of humanity". meaning only the "bad parts" would be removed without unintended side effects.


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I would be extremely cautious of anything that messes with the brain. I also do not really want to mess with my own mind and I am kind of happy with how I am already. However, I wouldn't automatically rule it out. To me this is the type of thing that may happen as humanity advances as a society. As a society we want to remove the stresses and causes of major issues that is going to hurt people and disrupt lives. However we also want to preserve as much individuality that we can, which includes some amount of personality flaws, quirks and such. Those things can make life interesting and unique.



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Just in case you missed it there is an excellent action movie called Equilibrium which is basically about this (but taken way to far) you should watch it if you haven't already.

Eh, I heard about it and saw the first few minutes...seems very unoriginal and blatantly cliched (white, sterile-looking future? jumping in with a blunt club and eradicating complex and nuanced aspects of the human condition, leading to Very Big Problems? the one guy who notices and decides to do something about it? really? Seen it all before.)

 

 

I did say it was an action movie  :biggrin:

 

I think it is certainly simplistic, my issue with the central premise is, if all their emotions are effectively removed, why does anyone do anything? People can't operate on pure logic, a motivation is required in their somewhere to work towards.

 

(This is why an AI will never "decide" to take over the world, or destroy humanity, An AI will destroy humanity because we accidentally give it a motivation where the elimination of humanity is a useful step)

 

The sterile/boring future is a logical result of pursuing only efficiency (the city in the film does not actually go far enough though, cos movie directors like things to look cool), a lot of dystopian futures have this same idea: of efficiency over aesthetics, taken too far, which makes it seem stereotypical. 


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Yes if it was thoroughly tested and such.

 

Just as a note i don't think this is a discussion of how you would make it work or if its possible to just cut out the bad parts. from what i understand it's a question of if it does work as intended by the op, would you be willing to get rid of the bad parts of yourself with and implanted chip.

 

In this premise you would not be losing that witch makes humans intelligent or able to make reasonable decisions in regards to risk assessment.

The primary quote being "presumed bad parts of humanity". meaning only the "bad parts" would be removed without unintended side effects.

 

The problem with the original post is who decides what is a bad part and what is not?

 

If you ask everyone:

 

"would you have a chip put in your head which removed all the bad parts of your personality. The chip is a magical chip that can't be hacked and removes ONLY the bad parts and doesn't affect anything else at all. And you get to decide the definition of BAD we are using" most people who think it through will say yes.  

 

They will all be saying yes to a slightly different version of the question.

 

I also don't believe it would be possible to remove "all of the bad parts of humanity" without seriously affecting the neutral and good parts of humanity.



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I would take a chip similar to the one being discussed here, only one is that is able to enhance one's mental capacity.





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