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Lira continues to fall!

 

Man, I hope their economy doesn't collapse leaving a failed state in its wake which then fills up with extremist groups and unleashes a wave of migration towards Europe. 

 

On the plus side Erdogan is a scum bag, and the Turks have been pretty horrible to the Kurds, who seem nice. That makes me feel less upset about it, although it shouldn't. 



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Turkey has just taken bold new steps towards becoming a major power. It’s not so much because Erdogan and Turkey have a plan to become one, but because circumstances are forcing it upon them. 
 
Pressures both inside and out of the country continue to mount. This is forcing Turkey to transform itself. The currency crisis is but one ugly result of a country trying to shed its old institutions as it transforms its power. Erdogan’s authoritarian rule is a result of the instability that Turkey is now facing.
 
What we are seeing are steps towards a more independent Turkey. That doesn’t necessarily make it look pretty. Erdogan’s seemingly unorthodox economic policies have not made Turkey a particularly sexy place to invest in nowadays. Turkey’s bickering with the United States over pastors and F-35 purchases are not nice but are merely finer points in a relationship of two NATO allies that spans over half a century. Turkey and the United States have had many public squabbles before. However, what makes this one different is that Turkey is now in a more powerful position.
 
The US needs Turkey as a stabilizing force in the Middle East. Both agree on many issues, such as the need to contain Iran, destroy the Islamic State and counter Assad. Turkey just doesn’t want to be held under Washington’s terms. Turkey’s growing power is instilling greater assertiveness on its part.
 
These moves toward a more independent Turkey are not just with the United States. Despite recent gestures, Turkey and Russia remain historical enemies. Their influences clash in the Caucasus and the Black Sea Basin. Russia supports Assad and Iran. Turkey opposes Assad and Iran. Their bonding is superficial at best. Really, what Turkey is doing is playing countries against each other, hoping to reap the benefits of both. The days when Turkey becomes an outright enemy and truly challenges the United States are indeed coming. But for the short to medium term future at least, the relationship between the two NATO allies will hold despite whatever minor points are bickered about. 
 
Turkey is now facing instability similar to the early Ottomans, before they expanded into one of the world’s great empires. But modern Turkey is starting with a much larger base. Turkey has the second biggest military force in NATO, has indisputably the most powerful military in the region, and has a naval tradition that goes back centuries. Despite its recent economic troubles, it is a rapidly developing economy that is the thirteenth largest in the world (in terms of PPP). The Ottomans began as just one of many competing Turkoman principalities on the Anatolian Peninsula, sporting little more than cavalry with bows and arrows as a military force. The key to their success was in geography, the same geography that Turkey now shares. Turkey’s geographical advantage stems from it being at the crossroads of two continents. It’s an advantage that few other countries possess.
 
The lira falls; Turkey shifts its economic policies. A coup attempt rattles the country; Erdogan consolidates power. Violence from war-torn Syria and Iraq spills into its borders; Turkey moves in. Turkey faces growing problems; it steps up.
 
So what happens next to Turkey? 

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It all comes down to how Trump responds.

Turkey issues retaliatory tariffs on US imports

Turkey has sharply raised tariffs on US imports, including passenger cars, alcohol and tobacco.
A decree signed by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan raised the tariffs on cars to 120%, on alcoholic drinks to 140% and on leaf tobacco to 60%.
Tariffs were also increased on cosmetics, rice and coal. Turkey had previously said it would boycott US electronic products.
It comes after Washington imposed punitive sanctions on Ankara.
Turkey's weakened currency, the lira, plunged by more than 20% in response to those US sanctions.
Explaining the new tariffs, Turkish Vice-President Fuat Oktay said the rises were ordered "within the framework of reciprocity in retaliation for the conscious attacks on our economy by the US administration".


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The US needs Turkey as a stabilizing force in the Middle East.

 

I'm not convinced that the USA wants stability in the middle east. 

 

Their foreign policy over the last 20 years seems to indicate the exact opposite. 

 

(Most of the rest of your points make sense though, and I don't have that good a knowledge of Turkey, so can't comment too much) 



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This is maybe too global for this thread but:

 

The crisis in Turkey is being caused by the US Fed, and we are only at the beginning

 

- The US Fed is unwinding its balance sheet, driving up the price of the dollar.

- This is the underlying cause of the Turkish lira crisis.

- Lots of countries, like Turkey, have external debt denominated in US dollars.

- The higher the dollar goes, the more expensive this debt becomes, and the closer we get to "contagion" in the shakier emerging markets.

- The Fed has only just begun.

 

 

 

 

 

The global economy is now growing nicely. It does not need to be rescued. So [The Fed] is starting to sell those assets, taking all that cash back.

America is not alone. The European Central Bank is tapering off the increases in its balance sheet, too. After September, there will be no more new rescue euros. In Britain, the Bank of England has started increasing its interest rate — another way of gathering in cash. The rescue sterling are going back into the vault, too.



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Qatari Emir Vows $15 Billion Turkey Investment After Erdogan Meeting

 

 

Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani has said Qatar is standing by its "brothers in Turkey" as he announced a $15bn investment into the country's financial markets and banks.

 
The emir's comments on Wednesday came after holding talks with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Ankara, Turkey's capital.

 

https://www.aljazeer...5152545652.html

 

Turkey is still able to attract investment, but the big difference is that it's with partners in the Middle East whom Turkey is imposing a growing influence on.



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Turkey president says US has launched 'attempted economic coup' as currency reels
Source: independent
 

Turkey's president has accused America of launching an “attempted economic coup” as the country’s currency continues to reel following US economic sanctions. Recep Tayyip Erdogan told thousands of supporters in Ankara: “Today some people are trying to threaten us through the economy, through interest rates, foreign exchange, investment and inflation.

“We are telling them: we’ve seen your games, and we are challenging you.”

And, in a clear swipe at US president Donald Trump he added: "We did not and will not surrender to those who act like a strategic partner but make us a strategic target.”

Turkey has seen its economy thrown into turmoil this week after Washington imposed sanctions – including doubling tariffs on aluminium and steel – in retaliation for Mr Erdogan’s refusal to release an arrested American pastor.

 

Read more: https://www.independ...y-a8497391.html



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Andrew Brunson row: Turkey 'agrees to resolve issues' over US pastor

 

http://www.worldaffa...-diplomatically

 

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(DW) The United States and Turkey have agreed to deal with the row over detained US pastor Andrew Brunson diplomatically. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has warned Turkey of serious consequences if the pastor is not released. 

 

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his Turkish counterpart, Mevlut Cavusoglu, held talks in Singapore on Friday on the sidelines of a regional summit and agreed to continue to try to resolve bilateral issues between the two countries.

 

Washington imposed sanctions on two of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's ministers over the trial of Andrew Brunson, a US pastor whom Turkish authorities accuse of espionage and backing terror groups. Washington has maintained that there is no credible evidence to support the charges.

 

The 50-year-old Brunson was arrested in December 2016, following a failed military coup against Erdogan, on charges of "committing crimes on behalf of terror groups without being a member" and espionage. Now subject to house arrest, he faces a prison sentence of up to 35 years if he is convicted on both counts at the end of his ongoing trial.

 

The evangelical pastor, who is originally from North Carolina, has lived in Turkey for 23 years and ran the Izmir Resurrection Church.

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Erdogan Says Turkish Journalist Should Be Extradited

 

https://www.courthou...-be-extradited/

 

 

BERLIN (AP) — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says prominent Turkish journalist Can Dundar, who is in exile in Germany, is a convicted spy and should be extradited to Turkey.

 

Erdogan told reporters Friday: “At this moment this person is, according to Turkish law, a convict, a spy (who has) revealed state secrets.” He was speaking at a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

 

Dundar was convicted in 2016 of revealing state secrets after his newspaper published photographs suggesting that Turkey’s intelligence agency was involved in sending weapons to Syrian rebels, and fled for Germany that year.

 

Merkel said it was “no secret” that Turkey and Germany differed in the case of Dundar, and stressed that there was no pressure put on him not to attend the press conference.

She says he “reached his own decision not to participate.”


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Turkish Court Frees American Pastor from House Arrest

 

https://www.courthousenews.com/turkish-court-frees-american-pastor-from-house-arrest/

 

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ISTANBUL (AP) — A Turkish court has convicted an American pastor at the center of a Turkish-American diplomatic dispute of terror charges, but has released him from house arrest and allowed him to leave Turkey.

 

The court near the western city of Izmir on Friday sentenced Andrew Brunson to 3 years and 1 month in prison for the conviction, but since the evangelical pastor has already spent two years in detention he won’t serve more time.

 

Brunson, 50, had rejected the espionage and terror-related charges and strongly maintained his innocence.

 

Lawyer Ismail Cem Halavurt said Brunson was expected to leave Turkey for the United States.


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Turkey issues Interpol 'red notice' for prominent journalists in exile

 

https://www.aljazeer...1152727536.html

 

 

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(The National) Journalism in Turkey has come under renewed scrutiny after an Istanbul court issued an international arrest warrant for two prominent writers living overseas.

 

In a hearing against journalists linked to the Cumhuriyet newspaper, the 27th High Criminal Court said it would request the issuance of Interpol “red notices” for Can Dundar and Ilhan Tanir. The order notifies all Interpol member states that the individual has pending arrest warrants.

 

Mr Dundar, the newspaper’s former editor-in-chief, and Mr Tanir, its ex-Washington correspondent, currently live in Germany and the US respectively.

 

In April, more than a dozen Cumhuriyet staff were convicted of supporting groups such as the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), the far-left Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party-Front and the Gulenist movement, which Ankara holds responsible for a 2016 coup attempt. All three are listed as terrorist organisations in Turkey.

 

Mr Dundar, Turkey’s most prominent journalist-in-exile, dismissed the court’s demand for the notices, which are issued by Interpol at the request of a member state, and he said the agency would disregard it because “they know the real intentions” of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

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Turkish journalist Can Dundar speaks at the authors' forum 'Blue Sofa' during the book fair 'Frankfurter Buchmesse 2018' in Frankfurt am Main, Germany,

13 October 2018.

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White House weighs booting Erdogan foe from U.S. to appease Turkey
Source: NBC
 

The White House is looking for ways to remove an enemy of Turkish President Recep Erdogan from the U.S. in order to placate Turkey over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to two senior U.S. officials and two other people briefed on the requests.

Trump administration officials last month asked federal law enforcement agencies to examine legal ways of removing exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen in an attempt to persuade Erdogan to ease pressure on the Saudi government, the four sources said.

The effort includes directives to the Justice Department and FBI that officials reopen Turkey's case for his extradition, as well as a request to the Homeland Security Department for information about his legal status, the four people said.

They said the White House specifically wanted details about Gulen's residency status in the U.S. Gulen has a Green Card, according to two people familiar with the matter. He has been living in Pennsylvania since the late 1990s.

Career officials at the agencies pushed back on the White House requests, the U.S. officials and people briefed on the requests said. "At first there were eye rolls, but once they realized it was a serious request, the career guys were furious," said a senior U.S. official involved in the process.

 

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Trump: US will not hand over Erdoğan foe for Turkey
Source: The Hill

 

BY CHRIS MILLS RODRIGO - 11/17/18 09:16 AM EST

President Trump on Saturday rejected reports that his administration is considering extraditing a foe of Turkish President Tayyip Erdoğan.

Trump told reporters at the White House before leaving for a trip to California that extraditing exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gülen was "not under consideration."

He added that “we’re having a very good moment with Turkey,” referring Erdogan’s release of American pastor Andrew Brunson last month, and said the U.S. is always looking for "whatever we can do for Turkey."

NBC News reported Thursday said that the Trump White House had directed the Department of Justice (DOJ) and FBI to reexamine a request from Turkey to extradite Gülen.

 

 

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European Court Orders Turkey to Free Pro-Kurdish Leader

 

https://www.courthou...kurdish-leader/

 

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(Courthouse News) – The Turkish government must free pro-Kurdish opposition leader Selahattin Demirtas, whose detention throughout two elections stifled democracy in Turkey, the European Court of Human Rights ruled on Tuesday.

 

Demirtas, who once co-chaired the pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) in Turkey, has for two years been battling charges that he spread militant propaganda against the country.

 

Two elections have passed since that time: a referendum that radically expanded Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s power and a presidential contest. Demirtas had been a powerful voice for the Hayir campaign, which translates in English to “No,” protesting Erdogan’s power grab, and he challenged Erdogan for president earlier this year from jail.

 

The rights court based in Strausberg, France, found Tuesday that the Turkish government kept Demirtas in jail to stack the contest.

 

“The court finds that it has been established beyond reasonable doubt that the extensions of the applicant’s detention, especially during two crucial campaigns, especially during two crucial campaigns, namely the referendum and the presidential election, pursued the predominant ulterior purpose of stifling pluralism and limiting freedom of political debate, which is at the very core of the concept of a democratic society,” the 78-page ruling states.


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Call to prayer is a daily reminder of Turkey's religious and political shift

 

https://www.latimes....1121-story.html

 

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(Los Angeles Times) Five times a day, the loudspeakers affixed to the spires of some 90,000 state-run mosques crackle to life, and the Islamic call to prayer bathes the streets of Istanbul and other Turkish cities.

 

For the faithful, the undulating Arabic hymn, called the adhan, is a reminder of Turkey’s historic place in the Muslim world. For others, it’s an unavoidable reminder of Turkey’s turn from the secular under its current leadership.

 

On Tuesday, a lawmaker was expelled from his own party for suggesting the adhan be uttered in Turkish again. “Chant the adhan in Turkish. I would understand it,” Ozturk Yilmaz, with the Republican People’s Party, or CHP, said on a talk show earlier in the month. “Read the Quran in Turkish. My language, if you speak it anywhere in the world, I will understand it. Why do we have this, this insult to Turkish?”

 

His suggestion not only sparked an immediate shouting match with other guests on the show, but reignited a touchy topic in Turkey: What exactly did Turkey’s founders want the country to look like?

 

For more than 14 centuries, across the Muslim world, the adhan has been recited in Arabic, a standardized ritual akin to the Latin Mass. But it was not always so in Turkey.


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Turkey Begins Construction of Naval Base in Black Sea

 

 http://www.uniindia....ws/1433591.html

 

Tensions are building in the Black Sea. Turkey borders the Black Sea. What does Turkey do when instability creeps along its borders?



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Turkish Military Sends Military Convoy to Syrian Border as Euphrates Operation Approaches (Video)

 

 

BEIRUT, LEBANON (9:20 P.M.) – The Turkish military has already begun amassing along the Syrian border for their upcoming operation east of the Euphrates.

 
Turkish military vehicles and soldiers were seen moving towards the cities of Kobane (var. ‘Ayn Al-‘Arab), Tal Al-Abyad, and Manbij after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that his army’s next operation is set to take place in the coming days.

 

https://www.almasdar...proaches-video/

 

To be sure, this move will further complicate Turkey’s relationship with the United States, which has supported the Kurds and has its own soldiers stationed in the region. For its part, Washington has been sending an unclear message: a Pentagon spokesperson said that unilateral action by Turkey against the Kurds is unacceptable, before saying that Washington still wants to cooperate with Ankara. This comes after the US just recently erected observation posts along the Turkey-Syria border.



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Turkey's Erdogan reveals part of Khashoggi killing audio
Source: Associated Press
Updated 1:20 pm CST, Friday, December 14, 2018

 

ISTANBUL (AP) — Turkey's president says he has heard an audio recording in which a suspected killer of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi allegedly says: "I know how to cut well."

Speaking Friday, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan added that the man heard in the recording was a high-level soldier and "morgue employee" who "openly" said he could dissect a body. Turkey has shared the audio recording with Saudi Arabia, the United States, Germany and others.

Turkey says a 15-person hit squad killed Khashoggi on Oct. 2 in Saudi Arabia's Istanbul consulate. His remains have not been found.

Erdogan also criticized the Saudi crown prince Mohammad bin Salman for saying the journalist had left the consulate, a claim he later reversed. "This nation is not dumb, it knows how to hold (people) accountable," said Erdogan.

 

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US State Department Approves Possible Sale to Turkey of Patriot Missiles at an Estimated Cost of $3.5 Billion

 

 

WASHINGTON, December 18, 2018 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Turkey of eighty (80) Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced Missiles (GEM-T) missiles, sixty (60) PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) missiles and related equipment for an estimated cost of $3.5 billion.  The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

 
This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by improving the security of a key NATO Ally on the front lines of the fight against terrorism.  Turkey is a member of and critical enabling platform for the Defeat-ISIS campaign and continues to be an essential element of our National Security Strategy and National Defense Strategy efforts to compete against great powers in both Europe and the Middle East.  The TPY-2 radar site that Turkey hosts is important to the European Phased Adaptive Approach and to efforts to protect Allies and partners against growing Iranian ballistic missile threats.  This sale is consistent with U.S. initiatives to provide key allies with modern systems capable of being networked to defend against regional instability.  The proposed sale will enhance Turkey’s interoperability with the United States and NATO, making it a more valuable partner in an increasingly important area of the world.
 
Turkey will use Patriot to improve its missile defense capability, defend its territorial integrity, and deter regional threats.  The proposed sale will increase the defensive capabilities of the Turkey military to guard against hostile aggression and shield NATO Allies who might train and operate within Turkey's borders.  Turkey should have no difficulty absorbing this system into its armed forces.
 
 
Not surprising given that the two are long time NATO allies, but easy to forget their strategic relationship given the very public squabbles as of late.

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Turkey's Erdogan delays operation against Kurdish forces in Syria
Source: Washington Post

By Erin Cunningham December 21 at 8:47 AM

ISTANBUL — Turkey will delay a planned offensive against Kurdish forces in Syria's northeast, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Friday, citing talks with the U.S. president and other officials.

Erdogan said that he welcomed President Trump's decision — announced Wednesday — to withdraw all U.S. troops from Syria, where they are partnered with Kurdish-led fighters to battle the Islamic State.

Turkey sees Kurdish forces both at home and in Syria as a threat to its national security and warned of an impending offensive to rout them from the Turkish border.

“We decided last week to launch a military incursion into the east of the Euphrates River and shared that information with the public,” Erdogan said at a meeting of the Turkish Exporters Assembly in Istanbul.

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